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Saturated Fat, trans fat...Fat in general...all good right?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 8/21/18 at 9:25 pm
A co worker told me this morning that she heard coconut oil isn’t in fact good for you because it’s mainly saturated fat.
I of course said that saturated fat is fantastic, but couldn’t go into a ton of detail. Mentioned oxidized fat, BHB, and brain function...
What’s the verdict? Any cons at all regarding fat?
All that old research is bogus right?
Explanations and Links encouraged!
I of course said that saturated fat is fantastic, but couldn’t go into a ton of detail. Mentioned oxidized fat, BHB, and brain function...
What’s the verdict? Any cons at all regarding fat?
All that old research is bogus right?
Explanations and Links encouraged!
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 9:28 pm
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:14 am to bayoubengals88
Trans fat is bad, but it's getting harder to find as companies move away from PHO's.
Generally, the story is pretty straightforward - fat and carbs are a sliding scale. You can eat plenty of fat, but you need to reduce carbs in accordance. The fat+carbs dynamic is where fats do become dangerous, it's like the carbs funnel the fats to the wrong places. This is why donuts might be the worst food.
The story gets more complex on individual genetics, some people just don't do as well with higher saturated fat. My testing revealed a profile that doesn't do well on carbs, but also doesn't do well on high saturated fat - so I avoid "supplemental" fat and eat a protein first diet, mostly taking in fat as baggage with meat.
While this isn't a historical reenactment, I try to let the ancestral story inform my diet - things like added coconut oil are almost impossible to get in nature without significant work. They might be natural, but they're supernatural.
Generally, the story is pretty straightforward - fat and carbs are a sliding scale. You can eat plenty of fat, but you need to reduce carbs in accordance. The fat+carbs dynamic is where fats do become dangerous, it's like the carbs funnel the fats to the wrong places. This is why donuts might be the worst food.
The story gets more complex on individual genetics, some people just don't do as well with higher saturated fat. My testing revealed a profile that doesn't do well on carbs, but also doesn't do well on high saturated fat - so I avoid "supplemental" fat and eat a protein first diet, mostly taking in fat as baggage with meat.
While this isn't a historical reenactment, I try to let the ancestral story inform my diet - things like added coconut oil are almost impossible to get in nature without significant work. They might be natural, but they're supernatural.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:37 am to LSUfan20005
That's a good summary. Do you have two APOE4 copies?
the hyper responder stuff is fascinating to me.
I ordered my 23andMe freaking ages ago. First one failed, and now they say their computers are being upgraded. It has seriously been over 3 months.
Do you eat lots of monounsaturated fat? I've tried to balance MUFA and SFA more to sort of hedge my bets. And eat as much high-fat fish and O3 eggs as I can (that's my only significant PUFA intake usually).
I use MCT for endurance activity and after a full fast or as my only calories during fat-fast.
My lipid profile, including LDL-P numbers have stayed solid.
To OP, this Virta blog article is a decent summary.
LINK
the hyper responder stuff is fascinating to me.
I ordered my 23andMe freaking ages ago. First one failed, and now they say their computers are being upgraded. It has seriously been over 3 months.
Do you eat lots of monounsaturated fat? I've tried to balance MUFA and SFA more to sort of hedge my bets. And eat as much high-fat fish and O3 eggs as I can (that's my only significant PUFA intake usually).
I use MCT for endurance activity and after a full fast or as my only calories during fat-fast.
My lipid profile, including LDL-P numbers have stayed solid.
To OP, this Virta blog article is a decent summary.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 7:19 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:33 am to LSUfan20005
quote:Meh. Donuts are bad on the fat side because of the type of oil the use. But the actual fat content is pretty low compared to carb content. A regular Krispy Kreme has 22g of carbs and 5g of saturated fat.
This is why donuts might be the worst food.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:42 am to Big Scrub TX
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Meh. Donuts are bad on the fat side because of the type of oil the use. But the actual fat content is pretty low compared to carb content. A regular Krispy Kreme has 22g of carbs and 5g of saturated fat.
yeah, but there is pretty good evidence that saturated fat combined with sugar (in a donut, it's sucrose, corn starch, flour...) is particularly bad. Not because of the SFA qua SFA, but because of the f'ed up metabolic issues associated with running off of sugar. Triglycerides skyrocket etc.
I think his point was a donut is a shite bomb for that reason in addition to just the fact that it's sugar, low-nutrient, and has shitty fat on top of the saturated fat (soybean and/or veggie oil). And I'm not sure how terrific palm oil is--from a pure fatty acid composition it looks ok on paper (SFA, MUFA and low PUFA). But i just don't know much about that particular oil, how it's processed, etc.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:47 am to McLemore
quote:Oh, I know. It's just one of my bugbears that donuts are presented as "high in fat", when in reality, they are VERY high in carbs. Sort of the same way burgers are presented as bad for you due to meat - and then pictured on massive buns.
yeah, but there is pretty good evidence that saturated fat combined with sugar (in a donut, it's sucrose, corn starch, flour...) is particularly bad. Not because of the SFA qua SFA, but because of the f'ed up metabolic issues associated with running off of sugar. Triglycerides skyrocket etc.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:20 am to Big Scrub TX
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Sort of the same way burgers are presented as bad for you due to meat - and then pictured on massive buns.
yeah, 22g of sugar v. 5g of SFA. yikes.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:26 pm to bayoubengals88
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A co worker told me this morning that she heard coconut oil isn’t in fact good for you because it’s mainly saturated fat.
Probably just regurgitating what the Harvard professor recently said
I swear the anti-fat articles circulate like a viral disease
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:28 pm to Powerman
quote:This current fiasco featured 8 out of the 10 being from Harvard.
I swear the anti-fat articles circulate like a viral disease
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:19 pm to Powerman
I'm personally ALMOST to the point of saying, "If you people want to believe bullshite without putting in just a little work to understand your own health, then godspeed."
Good read on the topic:
Clickbait Keto: Does Keto Really Kill You Faster?
Good read on the topic:
Clickbait Keto: Does Keto Really Kill You Faster?
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If you haven’t seen the hype around the latest “groundbreaking study,” supposedly indicating that eating a carbohydrate-rich diet will make you live longer, then good for you. You either don’t watch the news (seriously, kudos to you) or you missed just about every media outlet trying to capture the attention of consumers with headlines like, “Low-Carbohydrate Diets Shorten Your Life”, “Low-Carb Diets Can Increase Risk of Early Death”, or the best one I’ve seen yet, by none other than the NY Post, “Eating Pasta Could Save Your Life.”
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