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Running Coaches- How did you find them and what were the fees?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:38 pm
For those here that have sought assistance from a running coach, what did you look for and how much did you end up spending? Was it a 1on1 setup or a customized training plan?
It looks like some RRCA certified coaches charge about $125/month for 1on1 or maybe $100-125 for a custom marathon plan. There are some options around me but before I jump in I'll take any free advice or observations from those that have done it.
It looks like some RRCA certified coaches charge about $125/month for 1on1 or maybe $100-125 for a custom marathon plan. There are some options around me but before I jump in I'll take any free advice or observations from those that have done it.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:21 pm to McVick
McVick,
I gave myself some personal benchmarks to make sure I was committed & it was worth the money (not missing runs, running after overnight shifts & that sort of stuff).
Once I hit those I knew I didn't need a motivator , I needed someone who knew the science and logic behind long term programming.
I also wanted someone to teach me since I'm fascinated behind the "why".
I found a bunch of coaches around me and started eliminating by their website, price, and other items.
Dialed it down to three and had phone consultations.
Fyi, posted my email to one of your runs, I'll forward you a much longer explanation I shared with another runner.
I gave myself some personal benchmarks to make sure I was committed & it was worth the money (not missing runs, running after overnight shifts & that sort of stuff).
Once I hit those I knew I didn't need a motivator , I needed someone who knew the science and logic behind long term programming.
I also wanted someone to teach me since I'm fascinated behind the "why".
I found a bunch of coaches around me and started eliminating by their website, price, and other items.
Dialed it down to three and had phone consultations.
Fyi, posted my email to one of your runs, I'll forward you a much longer explanation I shared with another runner.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:54 pm to McVick
I've used Nickodemus Hollon for gait analysis and ultra running. He was the youngest ever finisher of the Barkley Marathons. Highly recommend.
I've also used other coaches for OCR and strength work.
What are you hoping to accomplish? That plays a big role in who you should choose as a coach.
I've also used other coaches for OCR and strength work.
What are you hoping to accomplish? That plays a big role in who you should choose as a coach.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:07 pm to McVick
Not sure what you’re training for, but I joined a Team in Training group that was really cool. Check that out and see if there’s one near you. You get coaches, but also a group to train with and offer support.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:48 pm to Rsande63
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Fyi, posted my email to one of your runs, I'll forward you a much longer explanation I shared with another runner.
YGM. Thanks. If you want you can delete your post on my run.
I'd like to prepare for another marathon. I trained and completed my first one 2019, but I know I can improve my time. Qualifying for Boston isn't realistic at this point, but I'd like to be somewhere between 3:30 and 4:00. I'm pretty consistent being under 2 hours for a half, and in race conditions my PR is 1:43.
I'll probably need to train alone, as I live about 45 minutes from a recognizable city. Hill work isn't problem and I have easy access to a track, but living in the snowbelt will limit my miles at least through most of April, so maybe a late Spring or Summer in-person race would be my target.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:57 pm to McVick
Happy to support, email sent + deleted comment.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:08 pm to Andychapman13
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Where do you live?
Central New York. There's a strong running community about an hour both the south and west directions, but not really where I live. I'd rather run locally if I can.
It seems like a doable marathon is Buffalo at the end of May, and if not there many other options up to three hours away.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:23 am to McVick
100-125 per month seems about right. What part are you struggling with? I’ve kind of found that at our level unless you have issues with motivation, there’s not a lot of value in getting a running coach. If I were to vet another coach, I would be looking for a collaborator as I have no issues with motivation nor do I have injury or form issues. Collaborative coaching is super rare I’ve found. Most coaches want someone to obey, that’s why they are coaching it seems, control.
I get weary of the guy’s I’ve talked to about coaching and running science as well. Every... well, almost every piece of running science that exists is designed to sell you something. There is no science in running, only observations.
Obviously this is all apocryphal, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I’ll save the arguments of authority for the run coaches.
I get weary of the guy’s I’ve talked to about coaching and running science as well. Every... well, almost every piece of running science that exists is designed to sell you something. There is no science in running, only observations.
Obviously this is all apocryphal, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I’ll save the arguments of authority for the run coaches.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:35 am to BurtReynoldsMustache
@Burt I know I'm a stronger runner compared to last year, but I'm unsure I can drop my marathon time by about 50 minutes without help. I have made up almost everything about running since I started, which I realize many runners like myself probably do. Besides one half marathon training team I've been in the wilderness when it comes to form, nutrition, strategies, training, etc. I think I'm getting better but I haven't really pushed my limits to see what I can accomplish. So far my injuries have been minimal and isolated to my feet (bone spur, plantar warts); no knee, ankle, hip, or back pain. And since my goal isn't a BQ I think I can avoid being talked into extra fancy technology beyond my Garmin watch.
I'm envisioning less of a personal motivator and more of someone to analyze data, provide feedback, and alter accordingly. I'll listen and do what someone tells me to do once, whether the outcome is a success or failure, but as I gain more knowledge I start to ask more questions until I'm satisfied with the explanation. I can follow a plan no problem, and as long as I have a visual reminder to do something I'll do it.
I'm probably looking for a needle in a haystack.
I'm envisioning less of a personal motivator and more of someone to analyze data, provide feedback, and alter accordingly. I'll listen and do what someone tells me to do once, whether the outcome is a success or failure, but as I gain more knowledge I start to ask more questions until I'm satisfied with the explanation. I can follow a plan no problem, and as long as I have a visual reminder to do something I'll do it.
I'm probably looking for a needle in a haystack.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:36 am to BurtReynoldsMustache
Agree, Burt. Unless you are at either end of the spectrum (no clue, too lazy to research, no motivation, etc.) or elite, just follow a book. My opinion at least. Personally, I'm not going to spring for a coach that knows way less about my body than I do. Not like I'm going to qualify for the trials or something. All said, I'll never fault someone for trying to do better if that involves getting coached.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:03 am to TigeRoots
McVick,
These are all legit points in this thread and the very same things I wrestled with.
Solid responses from strong runners.
These are all legit points in this thread and the very same things I wrestled with.
Solid responses from strong runners.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:29 am to McVick
if you think you need a coach, i say get one. worst case scenario you waste a few hundred bucks.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:45 pm to McVick
Buy Run Faster by Brad Hudson. It's an easy read, but you will learn everything you need to know about creating your own training plan for 5K to Marathon distances. It also includes sample plans for each distance and level.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 1:11 pm to LSU Patrick
The best and easiest to digest book I've run across yet is by Jay Johnson's "Simple Marathon Training". It's catered to "busy adults" and includes specific warm ups (Lunge Matrix/Leg Swings) and cool downs (Strength and Mobility (SAM)) to build strength, so as not to have to do extra strength work. I feel the strongest and fittest as I've ever been, on my highest mileage ever. I don't think I'll ever use another plan, unless I can free up alot more time somehow, then I'll look at doing Advanced Marathoning (book), by Pete Pfitz.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 5:45 pm to McVick
Are you planning on having your coach supervise your sessions? I would not spend the money on a coach if we were not going to have face to face interaction multiple times per week.
I say this as a person who lettered multiple years in undergrad at a P5 school then coached high schoolers while I was in grad school. I had multiple guys run under 4:20/9:20 so I like to tell myself I have at least a modicum of understanding of the sport.
The benefit of an in-person coach is that they can make changes on the fly. They can say "hey, this workout isn't going well, let's make some adjustments." That doesn't happen virtually. You can run just fine by reading a lot on your own and listening to the feedback your body is giving.
I say this as a person who lettered multiple years in undergrad at a P5 school then coached high schoolers while I was in grad school. I had multiple guys run under 4:20/9:20 so I like to tell myself I have at least a modicum of understanding of the sport.
The benefit of an in-person coach is that they can make changes on the fly. They can say "hey, this workout isn't going well, let's make some adjustments." That doesn't happen virtually. You can run just fine by reading a lot on your own and listening to the feedback your body is giving.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:09 am to McVick
McVick - maybe my memory is mistaken, but don’t you also lift weights?
I’d recommend Patrick Cutter. He’s in Rochester but offers online coaching. He’s a 2:30 marathoner with muscles.
I’d recommend Patrick Cutter. He’s in Rochester but offers online coaching. He’s a 2:30 marathoner with muscles.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 4:07 pm to McVick
Can I pay someone to break into my house, pour cold water on me in bed, then hold a gun to my head to make me run?
Because if not, I don't think I've got the motivation to train to run long distances
I always say I wish I was incredibly wealthy because I'd definitely hire a coach to live in the house and just bother me until I ate right and exercised.
Because if not, I don't think I've got the motivation to train to run long distances

I always say I wish I was incredibly wealthy because I'd definitely hire a coach to live in the house and just bother me until I ate right and exercised.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 4:56 pm to StringedInstruments
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McVick - maybe my memory is mistaken, but don’t you also lift weights?
Nope, not me. Still haven't hit that desire to lift yet. I've gone to the gym in the past but it's been 2+ years now and I mainly stuck to the machines with the stacked weights.
I think I figured out a plan for next year. I have two races already on the calendar, a 10 miler with hills in early May and a 15k in July. I'm going to try out the Garmin Coach thing for the 10 miler & treat it like a half marathon with a goal pace in the 7:00-7:10 range. That should get me through the winter months, and then after the May race I'll reassess my desire for a personal coach or specialized plan.
My goal then is to jump into a marathon plan at the end of May for a race in late September or October.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 2:34 pm to McVick
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running coach
What exactly does a running coach do?
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