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Morpheus
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Peptide suggestions.

Have a Functional Medicine Doctor friend suggest looking into them and the website he gave me for peptide sciences. Not sure about any of it yet just starting research. Anyone have suggestions based on knowledge or use? Not looking into testosterone for growth so a healthier alternative is the idea.
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Maytheporkbewithyou
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What's your goal for using peptides?


Morpheus
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Not sure yet. The suggestion by him was for building lean muscle and some strength.
I’m 5’11 190-195 bout 20-25% body fat. Early 40s and don’t want to take testosterone if it’s not needed.
I’m in good shape eat right and don’t drink so I just would enjoy an extra edge for a beach trip in 6 months.


Maytheporkbewithyou
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Gotcha. There are a few here that can answer for you. I've never used any, but I can understand the draw. The only extra I use is a pre-workout mix and I rotate those around.

If you're just looking for a shortcut then you can probably find something. If you want to build lean muscle then eat, sleep, and lift like you do. The science shows that men in their 20's to around 60 build lean muscle at virtually the same rate.

Either way, good luck and be cautious with what you use.
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Morpheus
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I trust the guy who told me about them since he studied the information and had course study in peptides for work. He also gave me his thoughts on Testosterone as well which I think we all pretty well understand by now.
Also I wasn’t suggesting in a short cut. I definitely put it the work I’m just looking for that little extra to get to a next level as safely as possible.
Didn’t really get many thoughts and possibly a rerun question around here.


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lsu777
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I’m 5’11 190-195 bout 20-25% body fa
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I’m in good shape eat right


no you arent

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don’t want to take testosterone if it’s not needed.


testosterone is much safer than any peptide, the long term issues are also known.

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The suggestion by him was for building lean muscle and some strength.
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I’m in good shape eat right and don’t drink so I just would enjoy an extra edge for a beach trip in 6 months


this is not hard

1) get your blood work done. check testosterone, both total and free. check shgb, check estrogen, check igf levels plus all your normal blood work like cholesterol, blood pressure, prostate, thyroid etc. make sure you dont have any issues

2) figure out your starting point for your macros. I suggest this calculator. Select leangains under diet. I suggest you start with the lose weight selection adn keep your protein at a minimum of 40% and you can move your carbs and fats around how ever you prefer.

3) weigh, prep and track your food for next 6 months

4) start walking 10k steps per day

5) I would suggest picking one of the 3 paths below for programming

A) Greyskull LCI program followed by ripped to shreds program

B) Ryan Fischer high intensity bodybuilding for 6 months straight

C) Pen and paper strength app programs run as follows

Month
1) filling out the hoodie
2) filling out the hoodie 2
3) Silverback or periodic table of thickness
4) Pool Season 1
5) Pool Season 2
6) Stack, jacked and turning heads


i suggest the ppsa option and getting after it.


lsu777
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Have a Functional Medicine Doctor friend suggest looking into them and the website he gave me for peptide sciences. Not sure about any of it yet just starting research. Anyone have suggestions based on knowledge or use? Not looking into testosterone for growth so a healthier alternative is the idea.


i thought about this a good bit, i highly suggest you stay away from any peptides or any PEDs as you do not have the knowledge on them to manage side effects and honestly true peptides for your goals are so much more advanced than you are ready for. Sarms are goign to wreck your natural test levels and you are not wanting to take test anyways so i can not stress enough that you need to stay away.


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Morpheus
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I appreciate the information but next time you provide it try not to be a condescending while doing it.

*Also the OG post didn’t ask your thoughts on a workout routine and what you might do. It was designed for anyone that had experiences regarding peptides positive or negative.
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I appreciate the information but next time you provide it try not to be a condescending while doing it.


i wasnt being condenscending i was being honest and looking out for you as far as health is concerned. and frankly was being honest with you.

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*Also the OG post didn’t ask your thoughts on a workout routine and what you might do.


do whatever you want, but dont come on here asking about PEDs talking about you are in good shape at around 25% bodyfat and expect people to say...yea you obviously are ready for performance enhancing drugs.

dont come on here and talk about like you know the downsides to testosterone and then ask about peptides like they are a healthy alternative.

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It was designed for anyone that had experiences regarding peptides positive or negative.


most of the peptides on the market are growth hormone releasing peptides and require mutiple injections per day. or you could go igf based which has been shown not to really be that effective. or you could really go hard core and go way out there or you could go for the injury healing peptides(only ones really worth the money imo)

i mean which ones are you wanting to use? there is a wide range of peptides and you frankly didnt tell us anything execpt that you didnt know much which frankly is kind of scary considering you are talking about performance enhancing drugs.


but hey guess im just a condescending a-hole, but im also a condescending a-hole that gave you an exact roadmap on how to achieve your goals without using PEDs, but do wtf you want.


Morpheus
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I don’t know my exact BMI it was a guesstimate. Could be 15% for all I know. Shouldn’t prohibit me from asking the original question w/o u getting all high and mighty giving your thoughts.
Just be pleasant and answer the question people ask. If I’m a betting man that’s why the original question was asked is to get some answers.
Surely it isn’t for you to suggest you know more than a friend who is a functional medicine doctor who has used all of the above.
I have his thoughts that’s why I was asking for more. I have tried performance stuff in my 20’s early 30s a couple times and trying to avoid that is why I’m looking at alternatives.

*Your last post is the type of information I am looking for.
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As far as whom to use, I’ve been using evolution peptides for the last year or so. I’d highly recommend them.



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Surely it isn’t for you to suggest you know more than a friend who is a functional medicine doctor who has used all of the above.
I have his thoughts that’s why I was asking for more.


more than likely i know much more. but not going to get too deep into that, but i would put my knowledge up against 90% of the best doctors in the world that only treat hormone specific disorders. any other doc and its 99% chance that i know much much more.

but if you want my true opinion, unless you have a specific hormone defeciency then or you are suddenly going to be making money off of your body, then dont use PEDs.

are there some like mk677 and Caradine that can be used without side effects...sure but like all things in that realm it comes with a risk.

but peptides in general are not really for the gen pop to use unless they have a gh issue, but even then i would think long and hard about not doing it.

for example i have both tesosterone and gh issues where i dont produce. I take testosterone and have waited to take GH peptides or GH itself just due to increased risk factors.

but also you need to do more research and ask about specific peptides, if you are willing to take mutiple injections a day and honestly if you dont know your body fat(and frankly referring to bodyfat as BMI in the last post shows ignorance) than you are not close to be ready to use PEDs.

sorry but thats the truth, frick what your friend said. and wtf is a functional medicine doctor? ANyone that refers to themselves as that is a fricking quack and you should run far far far away.


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I’d highly recommend them.


based on lab test or just how you feel?


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Morpheus
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Thanks I appreciate the information. I’m just trying to get a dialogue going and some ideas if I decide to go that route.
I’m ok with shots and giving them to myself and actually enjoyed them for some reason when I tried some things back in the day so that doesn’t bother me. 3 times a day I’m not that interested in but once if needed isn’t a problem. I like my size just want an extra motivation which everyone gets mentally while taking a product.
I’m new in my research so I have a couple sites including the one another poster offered to start reading into them before I do anything.
My trip goal is still 6 months out so I don’t need to start tomorrow but thoughts on best way to cycle a certain product or a couple types to use in the upcoming months so I can get down to 24% BMI. Kidding

* I liked everything you said up until you suggested you know anything about a functional medicine doctor. My friend was/is an Internal Med Doc and Hospitalist who decided to move his career and practice to running a Functional Medical clinic. I can assure you he knows what he is talking about.
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I liked everything you said up until you suggested you know anything about a functional medicine doctor. My friend was/is an Internal Med Doc and Hospitalist who decided to move his career and practice to running a Functional Medical clinic. I can assure you he knows what he is talking about.


You would be shocked at how many 'medical doctors' out there know very little about actual androgens/anabolics/hGH/insulin use. And I mean actually understand it and not just parrot all the typical old wives tales you hear about performance enhancers.

EDIT: and take this advice:
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1) get your blood work done. check testosterone, both total and free. check shgb, check estrogen, check igf levels plus all your normal blood work like cholesterol, blood pressure, prostate, thyroid etc. make sure you dont have any issues


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I have tried several cycles of Ipamorelin/CJC and IGF1 LR3. I was around 15% bodyfat at the time. I am also on TRT and have been for about 3 years.

Did I see some "gains" yea a bit. Was it worth the money and effort being an average guy just wanting to not be a "skinny bitch"? nah fam. 2 to 3 injections a day, not close to eating times blah blah.

I spent a year focusing on my diet and eating habits, and really increasing my efforts in the gym and have seen awesome results.

I'm not as smart as some, but I learned for the "average guy" good food and hard work is the easiest way.


Consistency over time.

But if you must, I think the ipa/CJC stack is pretty common and plenty info out there. Just don't expect much from any of it unless you are already pushing your diet and exercise 110%.


Maytheporkbewithyou
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so I can get down to 24% BMI.




777 may be blunt, but he knows what he's talking about and he's always willing to answer questions and share info.


Morpheus
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I appreciate that advice on the bloodwork being done for sure. I trust his advice because he is not some nerd behind a desk he has personal information having used all the products at some point under another doctor friends advice and dosage use.
I’m also in the medical field and have a good pulse on who knows about questions I’m asking. I’m also smart enough to get more than one man’s opinion which is why I came here to trust the finest minds the rant might offer.


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I have tried several cycles of Ipamorelin/CJC and IGF1 LR3. I was around 15% bodyfat at the time. I am also on TRT and have been for about 3 years.

Did I see some "gains" yea a bit. Was it worth the money and effort being an average guy just wanting to not be a "skinny bitch"? nah fam. 2 to 3 injections a day, not close to eating times blah blah.

I spent a year focusing on my diet and eating habits, and really increasing my efforts in the gym and have seen awesome results.

I'm not as smart as some, but I learned for the "average guy" good food and hard work is the easiest way.


Consistency over time.

But if you must, I think the ipa/CJC stack is pretty common and plenty info out there. Just don't expect much from any of it unless you are already pushing your diet and exercise 110%.


yea i mean if you are going to do it, then cjc 1295 (no dac)(you arent getting a legit dac product more than likely) with ipam at night prolly be safest route but if your gh is in normal range or high end, not gonna see a ton.

pretty much what you said, i mean you can do the cjc and ghrp combo multiple times a day, but how many average guys are going to prep their meals, time everything perfectly, go take shots before meals while at work etc.

nobody has time for that shite unless you are making money from your body.


and OP as mentioned 99% of medical doctors are frickign clueless when it comes to androgens, diet, and training for aesthetics and health. go look at the average docs waist line and get back to me.


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lsu777
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I appreciate that advice on the bloodwork being done for sure. I trust his advice because he is not some nerd behind a desk he has personal information having used all the products at some point under another doctor friends advice and dosage use.
I’m also in the medical field and have a good pulse on who knows about questions I’m asking. I’m also smart enough to get more than one man’s opinion which is why I came here to trust the finest minds the rant might offer.




if you are in the medical field then 100% do your research. Sorry i can be blunt and come off as an a-hole, i dont mean to its just that i actually care.

understand that with peptides there will be negative feed back loops. with mk677 you dont really run the risk of GH being suppressed long term but with the GHRH(cjc1295) and GHRP combo you do run that risk. boom dosing with the ipam seems to give the most natural waves based off the blood work I have seen.

but again if your levels are not off, its not gonna do a whole lot unless you are using heavy dose for 9months to a year minimum and it will slow steady gains.

but again not worth the money. the more crude ghrps are gonna give you better results from a gains perspective but much more side effects. mk677 is best long term form ga gains and health perspective but then you have to watch blood sugar levels very closely, get used to extreme hunger, extreme lethargy, tons of water weight...exact opposite you are used to.

with sarms....GW1516(cardarine) you will get a lot more stamina and its the only one that outside of mk677 that is not suppressive. Has tons of health benefits like better cholersterol ratios, blood sugar levels, burns fat and although it sounds like a miracle drug it also comes with one giant possible side effect.....during trials at human doses around 75-90mg the mice developed tumors all over their bodies that were cancerious. So the BIG C is a possibility. most humans never take about 30mg but its still possible.

all other sarms are goign to cause suppression that will require a full post cycle therapy.

if you are looking for just a mental boost and motivation...askign for the wrong things. Never put your health at risk from a PED over motivation.

motivation is shite anyways, discpline is the key to long term results. be discplined to lift even when not motivated.


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