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Posted on 1/1/20 at 6:51 am to 3nOut
Thanks for crunching the numbers! Great year from the group.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:35 am to 1999
Started the year with a very cold 10k this morning.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:49 am to GetCocky11
I finally got in gear this week and have consecutive days of running banked. I lost a little fitness during my hiatus but not so much I don’t have a solid base going into my next training cycle.
I got a ton of cold weather gear for Christmas, but it has been the warmest winter here that I can remember so far. Go figure.
I got a ton of cold weather gear for Christmas, but it has been the warmest winter here that I can remember so far. Go figure.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 12:35 pm to LSU Patrick
I'm not sure how many of us are Masters runners, but using the Age Grade Calculator can be helpful for goal setting and assessing your progress after age 40.
One of my short term goals is to break 20 minutes in the 5K. At age 44, that would be an age equivalent time of 18:24 and put me at the 70th percentile of runners my age.
One of my short term goals is to break 20 minutes in the 5K. At age 44, that would be an age equivalent time of 18:24 and put me at the 70th percentile of runners my age.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 1:05 pm to LSU Patrick
Like all calculators it's fun to use but I am weary of things like this. It feels like an excuse maker and how are they quantifying "quality" runs? I'll be a masters runner next year and my best equivalent time would be low 16s according to this thing. I am either fully capable of training to low 16s or I lack the genetic talent to do so (which talent wouldn't change based on age), so whats the point in having the information?
Dude, 44 isn't old so go out there and run an 18:24 like you know your fully capable of doing.
Ugh, sounding bitchy again but I truly think calculators like this get in the way of people reaching their potential as runners because it puts in people's head that running an equivalent to some phantom measurement is the same as actually running that time. Go run as fast as a 21 year old today! It's not that hard because everyone is overweight.
Oh man, now I feel like I sound like that keto bitch in those other threads. Gross.
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Dude, 44 isn't old so go out there and run an 18:24 like you know your fully capable of doing.
Ugh, sounding bitchy again but I truly think calculators like this get in the way of people reaching their potential as runners because it puts in people's head that running an equivalent to some phantom measurement is the same as actually running that time. Go run as fast as a 21 year old today! It's not that hard because everyone is overweight.
Oh man, now I feel like I sound like that keto bitch in those other threads. Gross.
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Posted on 1/3/20 at 1:45 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
It's not exact, of course, because each person differs in the aging process. The aging effect is real, however. I think it's actually more salient in runners who started prior to age 30. What the research is starting to show is that runners usually peak between 5 and 10 years of whenever they start running competitively. For example, if you start training for races at age 38, you will probably perform at your highest level between ages 43 and 48, assuming you train well and avoid serious injury. That doesn't mean, however that your fastest 5K at age 45 will be as fast as it would have been if your were running competitively at age 30.
Like you, I didn't start running until my late 30s. I feel like I am still improving, and I believe that I can continue to get PRs. After all, I'm still new to distance running. However, I also realize that I am not going to finish ahead of a healthy 30 year-old guy who has 6 years of experience, similar nutrition and training, and a competitive spirit. I believe I can be one of the best 44 year-old runners in my region, but I will never have a 16-minute 5K or a 2:30 Marathon. The 28 year-old version of me may have if I had been a competitive runner at that time of my life.
It's only an excuse IMO if you aren't continuing to progress. Otherwise, it's a realistic way of assessing performance. I might continue setting PRs for the next several years, but eventually it will be impossible to continuing racing faster despite my training or mindset. Sometimes, people stop running when age catches up with them and they can no longer set PRs. I don't want that to be he case with me. I want to be able to adjust my goals so that I can still progress and challenge myself despite the inevitable.
Like you, I didn't start running until my late 30s. I feel like I am still improving, and I believe that I can continue to get PRs. After all, I'm still new to distance running. However, I also realize that I am not going to finish ahead of a healthy 30 year-old guy who has 6 years of experience, similar nutrition and training, and a competitive spirit. I believe I can be one of the best 44 year-old runners in my region, but I will never have a 16-minute 5K or a 2:30 Marathon. The 28 year-old version of me may have if I had been a competitive runner at that time of my life.
It's only an excuse IMO if you aren't continuing to progress. Otherwise, it's a realistic way of assessing performance. I might continue setting PRs for the next several years, but eventually it will be impossible to continuing racing faster despite my training or mindset. Sometimes, people stop running when age catches up with them and they can no longer set PRs. I don't want that to be he case with me. I want to be able to adjust my goals so that I can still progress and challenge myself despite the inevitable.
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Posted on 1/3/20 at 1:53 pm to LSU Patrick
The aging effect will also be more pronounced and occur earlier in the shorter distances.
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Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:10 pm to LSU Patrick
I agree with everything that you said but since the science is far from exact and it does not, can not account for natural genetic talent, the margin of error on a calculator like this is too much to consider a good tool for any equivalency measure.
I guess my beef with things like this is nuts to the past or what could have been or what ifs. That calculator is only useful if the one using it has a previous time to measure it against and the equivalent time is accurate to that previous time. It is a fun novelty tool though.
I guess my beef with things like this is nuts to the past or what could have been or what ifs. That calculator is only useful if the one using it has a previous time to measure it against and the equivalent time is accurate to that previous time. It is a fun novelty tool though.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 2:41 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
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That calculator is only useful if the one using it has a previous time to measure it against and the equivalent time is accurate to that previous time.
I agree with you on the finishing time. The percentiles are still pretty good measuring sticks regardless of history, however.
Posted on 1/3/20 at 4:26 pm to LSU Patrick
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The percentiles are still pretty good measuring sticks regardless of history,
Agreed for sure.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 7:08 am to BurtReynoldsMustache
I am now basically in my junior year of high school shape. I’m running the exact same race times and am accomplishing similar workouts. Going in to year three of the BRM comeback tour, I can realistically say my main goal is to make that leap from decent high school contributor to varsity letterman. It’s kind of amazing what your body can do under training duress at any age.
I might even say I’m in better condition to race now because I’m not being put through the ringer that was nineties distance running torture training. (3 speed workouts a week and no recovery days)
I might even say I’m in better condition to race now because I’m not being put through the ringer that was nineties distance running torture training. (3 speed workouts a week and no recovery days)
Posted on 1/4/20 at 1:29 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
I hated running in high school. Track days for basketball sucked and I always looked for an excuse out of them so I don’t have anything to compare to now.
Had a good 13.1 this morning. My last 7 were all sub 9 and getting faster. Legs felt good afterward but I can already feel the taper madness setting in. I said it once and I’ll say it again, three weeks to taper seems overkill.
Had a good 13.1 this morning. My last 7 were all sub 9 and getting faster. Legs felt good afterward but I can already feel the taper madness setting in. I said it once and I’ll say it again, three weeks to taper seems overkill.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 1:36 pm to kballa6
Who told you to do a three week taper for a half or anything for that matter?
Posted on 1/4/20 at 2:18 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
The two plans that I’ve used all have a three week taper.
My last long runs are 23, 12, 8, Race. So I guess technically it would be a two full week taper and then race week.
My last long runs are 23, 12, 8, Race. So I guess technically it would be a two full week taper and then race week.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 2:27 pm to kballa6
Roger that, go with what works. I'm sure whomever it's from is a better coach/runner than I but I'd agree that three weeks seems really long. I feel like for me, it'd be hard not to feel lethargic. I get dropping the long run miles but it seems total miles other than the long run shouldn't change much at all until race week based on what a lot of "experts" say.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 3:45 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
Total weekly mileage slowly goes down but not too much. This week was 31, next is like 28-30 with a long of 8 which I will stretch to 10 probably. One speed workout each week.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 2:34 pm to kballa6
Anybody following Walmsley on Strava absolutely murdering it? Capped off a 170 mile week with a 30 mile long run with 2K’ of gain/leisurely 5:43 pace. Guess he’s going big for the trials.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 5:15 pm to TigeRoots
Jeez. Should be interesting what he does over the full 26.2 instead of a half.
Last 4 weeks for me have gone 0, 6, 10, 16. Let’s go 20 this week.
Last 4 weeks for me have gone 0, 6, 10, 16. Let’s go 20 this week.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 5:37 pm to hogbody
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Jeez. Should be interesting what he does over the full 26.2 instead of a half.
Well he got the ribbon for the Marathon PR on Strava on that run at 2:27. Interested as well as he’ll obviously do much better than that on the qual. course. Or he should at least.
Good to see you back in the fold. I managed 14 this week and 10 last, so hopefully no setbacks on the horizon here.
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