re: Looking for a simple but effective strength and diet program

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a simple, but effective program with a goal to hit certain benchmarks on bench, squat, and deadlift. I’m not sure there is a program out there that better suits what he asked for than StrongLifts.

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I can think of a bunch better...

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Reading is hard. GZCL and Greyskull are better in every way. But please, you rippetoe fan girls keep downvoting me. I’ll continue to be several steps stronger than you

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Reading is hard

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indeed

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GZCL and Greyskull are better in every way.

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Except in being as simple or as focused on the lifts the OP is focused on.

I’ve done greyskull and strong lifts and I am doing gzclp now. They are all effective. One is as simple as it gets and focuses almost exclusively on the compound lifts OP is focused on.

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Yes, I assume reading is hard for you. It definitely appears that counting is! You said a bunch but then named two and didn't even get the name right for one of them.
Also, GZCLP is def not simple.
You're a frickin' clown.

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so fricking triggered. How many programs do I need to mention?? LOL, literally any LP is better than stronglifts. OP wasn't some beginner starting with the bar. Before you open that dick sucker, maybe try reading.

As for not getting the name right, GZCL is used to describe a multitude of Cody's programs including the LP. And who said that shite was easy?? GZCL fits what the OP wants more than Stronglifts.

yea the main difference is understanding of progression. the Stronglifts overall system is actually really good but the initial LP is brutal and unforgiving and not for a traditional novice.....Starting strength is not much better. to get the most out of them it takes 100% sole focus with no care about health or any other outside stressor

but even with that, the gslp setup in the same manner is still better, allows for much longer progression.


but to be fair to stronglifts, he has a bunch of different programs on the app and uses 5x5 that everyone knows just as the kick off then moves to 3x5 after reset then to 1x5+ then to madcow. it works but even mad cow becomes brutal AF

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Of course you are absolutely correct, however, 99% of people when you say strong lifts or starting strength, they’re referring to the 5 x 5 LP. It may have changed now, but a few years ago, the move was starting strength, then burn out. Then everyone would do gzclp, 531, or nsuns(hello tendinitis)

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i dunno what most are running. alot of the starting strength coaches are pushing their own stuff to go to after SS. Example would be andy baker, wolf strength. sm krapf


and yea you are right about what most are talking about, was just saying

the traditional paths for most, at least recommended by creators

SL 5x5--> SL 3x5-->SL 1x5--> madcow 5x5--> pendlay/star advanced 5x5 from OG geocities madcow site

SS 3x5(as written in the Blue book through the different phases)--> texas method--> advanced program from practical programming


andy is the best SS coach imo. i much prefer the setup of greyskull though because it gives you auto progression model and explains how to rotate main lifts to continue to progress and then clear path to powerbuilding if thats the way you want to go. I feel its the better LP for sports too

my preferred method for sports with younger lifters

5th-7th- basic conjugate using breif max tension and using box squats only, paused bench and pin press. lots of sprint/jumps/throws

8th grade(or tanner stage 4)- greyskull lp with lots of spint/jump throws

9th grade- back to conjugate using a version of 531.

i personally look at box squats off 12/16" boxes with vbt along with measure sprints and jumps as the key for atheletic dev and look at traditional back squat, especially in the LP, as the key to adding lots of mass