re: Keto: What are you getting at the grocery store?

I dip those bad boys in spinach/artichoke dip. Delish.

quote:

---

The creatine is something he should be taking if he lifts. Its very good for you and has been studied for decades, sorry but you are worng on this one. Everyone should be taking it, its a staple.

---

Nah.

quote:

---

MCT Oil- is very good for you especially when not heated for cooking. Brain octane oil is the best form of it. Very healthy for the heart and helps metabolic functions. Again a staple.

---

With coconut oil/cream being the best variety. You know - food.

quote:

---

Niacin- proven over decades of studies to help flush ldl. Sure there are some studies that show it does nothing, but hundreds that say it does help. Doesnt cause any side effects so it can't hurt.

---

LDL doesn't really matter, so don't care. Not necessary.

quote:

---

ZMA's- can help sleep and boost hormone levels. There are a lot of studies on these and its safe to use long term. It cant/wont hurt to take it.

---

Meh.

quote:

---

Fish Oil- I don't care what you say, no matter how much fish you eat, you should be taking this and krill oil everyday. Every single person should be taking this unless they are allegeric or it causes stomach distress which is very rare. Bottomline is 10-20g a day has been proven over and over again to help cholesterol. Besides most fish now a day is farm raised and the omega3 to 6 ratio is all screwed up.

---

Cholesterol not bad, don't care.

quote:

---

wrong

---

Really, LDL doesn't matter. If it does, it matters way less than HDL. And if he's eating right, he shouldn't have any concerns about cholesterol.

quote:

---

overall, yes, ratio...you would be wrong sorry

---

Tris matter way more. I agree that it makes sense to get a full understanding of your density/count/etc. and that headline numbers are meaningless. But, again, if he's eating properly, cholesterol is essentially a non-concern.

quote:

---

and what is your problem with creatine? please tell me why it shouldnt be taken.

---

I just don't believe in supplementation in general. If he's eating the right, real foods, then that will provide him with 100% of what he needs to achieve any health and/or fitness goal he desires.

quote:

---

---

nope. I know it's ridiculous, but I run through at least 6-7 32oz bottles just at work. Just sitting here watching a movie I've drank 3 17oz bottles.

So what do you suggest, Scrub, as far as building muscle? I'm not big on free weights myself and refuse to join another gym. I just use a pull up bar, resistance bands and a sledge hammer.

yea but you cant eat enough red meat to get enough creatine to make a huge difference in recovery. And these items are supplements, meant to supplement a diet built around whole foods. and using supplements has nothing to do with crap science sponsored by big ag pushing veggie oil or formula. Your lack of understanding here or should I say your hard headed mindset here(cause I know you understand the supplements) is showing through and causeing you to have a bias. Sure supplements are not needed to achieve any goal, but they can speed recovery and results. Thats a fact, epsecially when combined with a diet based around protein, good fats and depending on the goals, startchy carbs.

and you need to realize people have other goals than yourself. You preach no supplements, no carbs, bodyweight exercises etc... some people want more size than those things can provide.Unless you are going to spend hours a day using rings or parallel bars putting yourself through grueling gymnastics style training, you are not going to get a very big upper body from body weight only exercises. Just not going to happen.

for legs, you aren't building really anything of any signficance as far as muscle mass goes without weights.

the basic barbell lifts should be done by everyone as they have been proven to prevent muscle and bone break down from aging and have been shown to slow the aging process and making it much more enjoyable.

You can have your bodyweight exercise while you are stuck on the toilet at age 80 due to lack of leg strength while I am still doing squats.

quote:

---

So what do you suggest, Scrub, as far as building muscle? I'm not big on free weights myself and refuse to join another gym. I just use a pull up bar, resistance bands and a sledge hammer.

---

as far as building muscle using bodyweight exercises it can be done but only to a certain degree unless you get into rings and parallettes. The goal should be to start with the basic bodyweight exercises and then use leverage to make it harder. Similar to a progression using weights.

example would be doing

pushups, moving to incline pushups, then high incline pushups plus handstand pushups, diamond etc. then moving to the rings and doing the same thing. reduce leverage over time to make the exercise harder.

Dips would go bench dips, to bar dips to gironda dips to ring dips etc

chins would go chins, neutral grip, pullups, wide pullups, l-sit pullups, ring pullups, wide ring pullups etc

squats would be bodyweight squats, explosion squats/jump squats, sissy squats, sissy squat as gironda taught them, pistol squats, weighted pistol squats

rows, tricep extensions, bodyweight curls, calf raises, hamstrings can all be done in this manner.


eventually though with the basic bodyweight exercises you will need to add weight to them to continue to progress.

coach sommers has a fantastic series called building the gymnastics body. I can not recommend it enough. you will learn to move your body through space.

I love bodyweight training but just realize unless you start doing them weighted, there is only so much progression on the basic exercises. now with the inclusion of leverage on the rings, you can go a long time.

quote:

---

yea but you cant eat enough red meat to get enough creatine to make a huge difference in recovery. And these items are supplements, meant to supplement a diet built around whole foods. and using supplements has nothing to do with crap science sponsored by big ag pushing veggie oil or formula. Your lack of understanding here or should I say your hard headed mindset here(cause I know you understand the supplements) is showing through and causeing you to have a bias. Sure supplements are not needed to achieve any goal, but they can speed recovery and results. Thats a fact, epsecially when combined with a diet based around protein, good fats and depending on the goals, startchy carbs.

---

I understand your position and just do not agree with it.

quote:

---

and you need to realize people have other goals than yourself. You preach no supplements, no carbs, bodyweight exercises etc... some people want more size than those things can provide.Unless you are going to spend hours a day using rings or parallel bars putting yourself through grueling gymnastics style training, you are not going to get a very big upper body from body weight only exercises. Just not going to happen.

---

Perhaps in the extreme you are correct. But I do not agree that people cannot reach their size/strength goals without supplementation or fancy equipment. Even legs.

quote:

---

the basic barbell lifts should be done by everyone as they have been proven to prevent muscle and bone break down from aging and have been shown to slow the aging process and making it much more enjoyable.

---

Look, I'm not against barbells. I use them myself. I was just making the point that I see lots of overthinking on this forum when 98% of goals could be achieved by simplifying everything.

quote:

---

You can have your bodyweight exercise while you are stuck on the toilet at age 80 due to lack of leg strength while I am still doing squats.

---

Now who's biased?

quote:

---

So what do you suggest, Scrub, as far as building muscle? I'm not big on free weights myself and refuse to join another gym. I just use a pull up bar, resistance bands and a sledge hammer.

---

I think a good combination of push ups, pull ups and squats - all with alternating styles - is sufficient. It's also helpful to work towards some kind of goal per exercise. e.g. you might want to get to where you can do one-handed pull ups or push ups. That's going to require doing lots of varying types of reps (triangles, inclines, etc.) until you finally reach that goal. I would submit that with 10-15 minutes of this per day (to real failure) 4-5 times/week is more than adequate to achieve 90%+ of any realistic goals the average person might have (so long as they are eating a sane diet.) In terms of sustainability, this seems way more long-term to me than having to go to a gym after first fooling around with a bunch of supplements and app tracking of exact weights and reps. The only thing I would add is that I personally advocate going into the workout in a fasted state and I'm somewhat indifferent to having to eat within a certain interval after the routine. (also, your sledge hammer thing sounds awesome)

quote:

---

I just have a non-supplementation philosophy.

---

I do too, but I understand why many take them. Right now I am taking a lot of them but its because I am so low cal right now. Once i start back trying to gain muscle, only thing i will have is protein, cause frick eating 3 pounds of chicken a day.