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Keeping Energy during a cut

Posted on 7/1/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 1:44 pm
How do you guys keep energized during a cut? I probably need to just up my macros. I’m at about 2000 calories and likely between 800-1000 calorie deficit. I’m very active and burn a lot of cals.

I’ve been pounding caffeine and it helps some but I’m just fricking tired. Maybe a couple bumps of coke?
Posted by TigerCael
Member since Jul 2019
171 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 1:50 pm to
That's a huge deficit. Unless you're massively overweight and have a high bf%, you're not doing yourself any favors. I'd cut it back to a 500 calorie per day deficit. You'll still lose about a pound a week, but you'll preserve muscle mass better and feel way better as well.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32024 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 1:54 pm to
I guess the problem is I don’t know what my true active calories are. Can you assume the Apple Watch is correct? My inbody says my Basal Metabolic Rate is 1920 plus anywhere from 800-1,000 active cals based on my watch. I’m eating about 2k cals a day with 190 grams of protein. Should I just up that?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63590 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Maybe a couple bumps of coke?


Sounds lovely, but fentanyl contamination scares me.

I tend to up the electrolytes and increase carb intake ever so slightly when I feel run down on a cut.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15639 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 2:07 pm to
Following.

I'm on a maintenance macro plan currently, but I too am starting to drag now that the heat has turned up. I actually did an Inbody scan today and in about six weeks I've cut to 10.3% BF from 13.3%. Here's the kicker though.....my muscle mass increased from 96.8 to 97.4. All of that's good, but I too am dragging a little more on my workouts.

I'm at about 2400 cals on workout days and 2000 on non workout days.

My splits on workout days are 257g carbs, 190g protein, and 71g on fat
Non-workout day splits are 180g carbs, 190g protein, and 79g fat.

I'm at 187 lbs. I usually miss my numbers (intentionally) on my carbs and fats, but always hit my protein numbers. I'm not missing my carb and fat numbers really badly, but I do try to not hit them. I'm wondering if I need to start hitting my carb numbers now that it's getting hotter?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63590 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

I've cut to 10.3% BF from 13.3%. Here's the kicker though.....my muscle mass increased from 96.8 to 97.4.


Fricking awesome.
Posted by bigbuckdj
Member since Sep 2011
1988 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 6:39 pm to
How many pounds are you losing per week? A pound of fat is 3500 cals, at 1000 calorie deficit you’d be losing 2 pounds per week. That’s pretty steep.

I’m eating 2200 cals and losing one pound per week currently, lifting 4 days per week and running about 25 miles per week.

I find beta alinine, creatine, and electrolytes help me out in a cut. I also find my carb timing also effects it, I can’t have all my carbs at lunch or it’ll slow me down too much, I try to have them closer to bed.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 6:43 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37977 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:30 am to
quote:

I guess the problem is I don’t know what my true active calories are. Can you assume the Apple Watch is correct? My inbody says my Basal Metabolic Rate is 1920 plus anywhere from 800-1,000 active cals based on my watch. I’m eating about 2k cals a day with 190 grams of protein. Should I just up that?


i think you are prolly fine on your calories, maybe up a tad if you really feel you need to

but first

lower your volume on the lifting some, atleast on the overall volume a tad but more the intensity of the accessories.

then also check sleep, get more if possible, better sleep hygiene, take melatonin for falling asleep fast and getting deep sleep


im in the same boat btw. im only at like 1500 calories. energy levels suck
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37977 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:31 am to
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running about 25 miles per week.



Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37977 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:32 am to
the heat is whats killing me too
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32024 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:22 am to
So, I’m at 185 about 11% bf. I walk 3 miles a day, do an hour CrossFit and 20/30min sauna. Macros are 190P, 55F, 178 C. What should I bump up? That puts me around 2000 cals a day.
Posted by JonahDatHeifer
Just Outside Nineveh
Member since May 2024
87 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:25 am to
How much are you sleeping a night? And do you let your brain rest from blue light before falling asleep? And do you stay asleep all night?

When I started a deep calorie deficit combined with working out i found out i needed closer to 9 hours of dedicated sleep or else i was exhausted, whereas when I'm not in a deficit i can get away with closer 6 during the work week.
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 11:27 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37977 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:40 am to
prolly would bump fats about 20g and see how that treats you.

Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32024 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:47 am to
quote:

prolly would bump fats about 20g and see how that treats you.


This puts me at 2200 cals which I think is more reasonable. Going to give that a try.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15639 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

lsu777

How do carbs and fats compliment protein when you are trying to build lean muscle/lose fat?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37977 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 3:06 pm to
well for the most part, if in a caloric deficit you are not going to be building much muscle, more along the lines of trying to maintain what you have. Now if you are newer to lifting or using anabolics that doesnt apply

so overall its pretty simple, you must be in a caloric deficit to lose body fat

protein- essentially can not be stored as body fat. very very hard for the body to convert. most satiating outside of potatoes. Due to the thermic effect of food, can almost never have enough protein even if that puts you in caloric surplus as it is so hard for the body to store as body fat.

fat- easiest of the macros to convert to body fat but fats are needed to keep hormone levels in check and for energy levels

carbs- only macro you do not have to have. but for many people they will help performance and energy levels. Carbs can be converted and stored as body fat but harder to do so than dietary fat


overall its simple....count your calories to make sure in a deficit, get 1g per lbs of bodyweight to make sure you are getting enough to maintain muscle....fill in the rest of the calories however you prefer that allows you to stay compliant.

i personally like zero carbs when cutting, but its only my preference. totally not needed.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15639 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 10:34 am to
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lsu777

Are you saying you could load up on protein (say 2 grams per body weight throughout the day), and even exceed your desired caloric intake but still not put on fat because the protein won't convert to fat?

Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11555 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

Are you saying you could load up on protein (say 2 grams per body weight throughout the day), and even exceed your desired caloric intake but still not put on fat because the protein won't convert to fat?


Protein is the hardest macronutrient for your body to turn into fat. You body can turn it into fat if you are in excess of your maintenance calories. I couldn't imagine eating enough of only protein to be in a calorie surplus.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69154 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:45 pm to
I call myself a bitch and make sure i get caffeine in.
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