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Is Arnold's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding still relevant?
Posted on 2/23/20 at 2:56 pm
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Posted on 2/23/20 at 7:08 pm to prplhze2000
Lifting is lifting, but there routines in the book are stupid high in volume and 99% of us mere mortals cannot handle that.
Posted on 2/23/20 at 8:16 pm to prplhze2000
Why wouldn’t it be relevant?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 6:32 am to prplhze2000
Arnold's Encyclopedia is probably the best lifting book I ever bought. I wouldn't suggest trying his routines but its a great reference book for all things lifting.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 9:23 am to prplhze2000
I haven’t read it, but I’ve seen some of the routines and they are super high volume. It is good to remember Arnold was taking massive amounts of jamba juice when he was following those routines.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 9:51 am to sabes que
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It is good to remember Arnold was taking massive amounts of jamba juice when he was following those routines.
Actually no he wasn't, what he took would be considered beginner cycles now a days.
Little test, good amount of primo during contest prep
Small amounts of test and deca during the off-season with dbol as breakfast.
The difference was during the timehe used routines he has in the book, he was doing real estate and bodybuilding full time. He had access to natural beef and eggs for cheap and ate the shite out of them. Also slept for 10-12 hours a day. Usually 10 at night and a 2 hour nap during the day.
Also Arnold like most pros are genetic freaks. They recover easier from cycles, convert test to free test at a much greater rate then normal, and overall do everything better.
Arnold also responded to super high volume and continued to push the envelope volume wise and due to being a freak was able to have an MRV that would crush most normal people.
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Posted on 2/24/20 at 9:58 am to sabes que
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It is good to remember Arnold was taking massive amounts of jamba juice when he was following those routines.
Everyone seriously involved in bodybuilding at that point was.
I tend to think it's still ok to experiment with that. Different people respond differently, and some people may get a lot of benefit from very high volume.
Other than high volume, the rest is basically solid. There's nothing wrong with giving a high volume program a whirl for a cycle or two.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:53 am to lsu777
Just curious how you know the dosage of test he was taking and that it was just a “little.” I’m not saying he wasn’t super dedicated at that time and those things absolutely contributed to his physique. However I think it’s pretty obvious he was on what a normal person would consider “massive amounts” of steroids in the 70’s.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 11:56 am to sabes que
Probably not over 250mg/week of test. Aromatase inhibitors weren't a thing back then, so to avoid bad estrogenic sides, they would keep the test moderate and add lots of primo and deca.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 12:33 pm to prplhze2000
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Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:13 pm to sabes que
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Just curious how you know the dosage of test he was taking and that it was just a “little.” I’m not saying he wasn’t super dedicated at that time and those things absolutely contributed to his physique. However I think it’s pretty obvious he was on what a normal person would consider “massive amounts” of steroids in the 70’s.
Because the cycles they used back then have come out from people that trained around and with those guys. Also everything they had was human grade direct from the pharmacy and there wasn't a wide array of steroids available much less massive supply.
Not super dedicated?? Wtf
And no a normal person wouldn't consider 200mg test with 200mg deca and 40mg dbol a massive amount. The average gym bro that is large is taking atleast double to triple that.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:22 pm to lsu777
I said “Im not saying he wasn’t super dedicated.” And you guys sound like y’all know what you’re talking about so y’all may be right... even still, if I had to bet, just judging by those guys physiques and what was at stake combined with lack of testing, I would bet they were juiced to the gills.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 4:07 pm to sabes que
There wasn't a ton of steroids back then. Very limited. Pretty much test, deca, primo and dbol was all they had and they ran lower doses than today. Hell even 90s people were running a quarter of what the guys run today.
Dorian and Ronnie changed everything. They had crazy genetics and we're able to achieve what they did through crazy hard training and a little more juice. Then igf, insulin, hgh and others became popular and you saw Ronnie blow up even more and others juicing to the gills to try and catch up.
Seriously though if you go read many of their cycles they were using that much back then. Arnold was a mass monster back then and he was 225 or so at his heaviest. That would be laughed off stage now a days and would be the lightest heavy weight on stage.
Franco was barely 200, Zane was in the 180s, many others were 190-210. They were not crazy huge, just looked great.
Dorian and Ronnie changed everything. They had crazy genetics and we're able to achieve what they did through crazy hard training and a little more juice. Then igf, insulin, hgh and others became popular and you saw Ronnie blow up even more and others juicing to the gills to try and catch up.
Seriously though if you go read many of their cycles they were using that much back then. Arnold was a mass monster back then and he was 225 or so at his heaviest. That would be laughed off stage now a days and would be the lightest heavy weight on stage.
Franco was barely 200, Zane was in the 180s, many others were 190-210. They were not crazy huge, just looked great.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 9:34 pm to lsu777
Ferrigno was considered a freak at 275.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:31 am to lsu777
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Posted on 2/25/20 at 11:08 am to Nobelium
Well no shite. I wasn't trying to say they were natural, but they were not huge in comparison to today's standards and where not a shite ton of gear compared to today. Most were taking less than a gram a week and were only on half the year.
But like I said before, no stress, tons of sleep, tons of high quality food And hard work helped them.
Most were also genetic freaks, go look how big Arnold was at 16, same with the others. They are the most genetically gifted of a two decade period.
But like I said before, no stress, tons of sleep, tons of high quality food And hard work helped them.
Most were also genetic freaks, go look how big Arnold was at 16, same with the others. They are the most genetically gifted of a two decade period.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 11:48 am to lsu777
Bodybuilding was much better then. Arnold and his fellow competitors were actually aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Big, broad chest, symmetry in arms and upper back, little waist with a shredded midsection and highly developed legs. Now, mass is the name of the game. Get as big as you possibly can. The competitors now have blown out proportions and have shite conditioning.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:42 pm to lsu777
I think the discrepancy here is comparing the amount of juice they were on to modern day pro bodybuilders, of course compared to the guys these days(who are on ungodly amounts of anything and everything) the guys in the 70s weren’t on near as much. However they were still what a normal person would consider juiced to the gills.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:46 pm to lsu777
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Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:50 pm to sabes que
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Is Arnold's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding still relevant?
I think the discrepancy here is comparing the amount of juice they were on to modern day pro bodybuilders, of course compared to the guys these days(who are on ungodly amounts of anything and everything) the guys in the 70s weren’t on near as much. However they were still what a normal person would consider juiced to the gills.
I guess, if the normal person isn't familiar with normal dosages. Taken 500-750mg total is not what anyone with any experience in that realm would consider juices to the gills, but I guess people that have no clue about any of that would.
For example a typical doctor prescribed TRT dose is 150-200/week. Most of the guys back then we're taking about double that in total in injectables and some dbol. Essentially what most would consider a very beginners cycle now a days.
But I do get what you are saying and they definitely or way over anything that could be obtained naturally, some more so than others.
I guess the big difference I was trying to convey is back then, they couldn't just steroid their way to the top as it was much more scarce back then. They had to learnt o do all the small things and the cream of the crop of responders to low doses rose to the top.
Now...nothing to see a pro taking 10-12x's what those guys where. Nothing to see a normal gym bro taking triple what those guys are.
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