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I have a drinking problem. Help. ***Update Page 4***
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:35 pm
I want to quit. I tell myself every day I'm going to quit and then 5 o'clock hits and I rush to the store to buy beer, liquor, whatever.
It's not destroying my personal relationships, yet, but it is keeping me from staying in shape the way I should.
My father was a non-abusive alcoholic and I believe I inherited it.
On the rare occasion I can keep from drinking I get super focused on my fitness and I feel 100% better, but I can't kick it.
I need help. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I don't know where else to turn.
It's not destroying my personal relationships, yet, but it is keeping me from staying in shape the way I should.
My father was a non-abusive alcoholic and I believe I inherited it.
On the rare occasion I can keep from drinking I get super focused on my fitness and I feel 100% better, but I can't kick it.
I need help. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I don't know where else to turn.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 11:20 am
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:50 pm to King Crab
Good for you for recognizing it. Have you tried anything yet? AA?
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:56 pm to OysterPoBoy
Haven't tried AA. Honestly don't even know if there is one in my rural area or if I would have time to attend meetings.
I know this sounds like an excuse, but I am too busy with work and kids to be away from the house more than I already am.
I need something to help me kick this on my own.
I know this sounds like an excuse, but I am too busy with work and kids to be away from the house more than I already am.
I need something to help me kick this on my own.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:59 pm to King Crab
May not help but I use to drink a pint of Jack a night. Forced myself to only buy half pints and drank only that for a few months. Then got to where I only drink on Friday and Saturday, been that way for years. Was rough but after a few weeks it wasn’t bad, quitting cigarettes was way way way more painful
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:17 pm to King Crab
Talk to your doc. Some people’s brains respond strongly to alcohol and release a flood of chemicals called endorphins. There are meds (naltrexone) that can block the chemical part of the cycle and help.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:56 pm to King Crab
AA has done it for me and millions of others. There are meetings all over the country and all over the world. There will be one close enough to you. What area do you live?
Just remember that sobriety will need to become the most important part of your life for you to get it and for you to reap the benefits. It needs to come before family, work, hobbies, fitness, all of it. “Anything you put above sobriety, you will ultimately lose.”
I got sober 3/28/2012. Best decision I ever made. I couldn’t stop drinking.. I didn’t have the off switch.
I’m here to help or answer any questions.
therant2003@gmail.com if you want to keep details off-board.
Just remember that sobriety will need to become the most important part of your life for you to get it and for you to reap the benefits. It needs to come before family, work, hobbies, fitness, all of it. “Anything you put above sobriety, you will ultimately lose.”
I got sober 3/28/2012. Best decision I ever made. I couldn’t stop drinking.. I didn’t have the off switch.
I’m here to help or answer any questions.
therant2003@gmail.com if you want to keep details off-board.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:04 am to pwejr88
quote:This is so vital in the process and life long struggle to kick booze for the alcoholics (like myself).
Just remember that sobriety will need to become the most important part of your life for you to get it and for you to reap the benefits. It needs to come before family, work, hobbies, fitness, all of it. “Anything you put above sobriety, you will ultimately lose.”
I started my first rehab about the time you got sober in 2012 and have been to an absolute frick load of AA meetings. It can work if you want it bad enough, sick and tired of being sick and tired, or have just hit absolute bottom, or all of the above. In 15 years of trying to stop drinking, the longest I've had sober is 106 days. Sounds like child's play compared to your decade of sobriety, but I got to this mark earlier this year. So, progress is starting to materialize, somewhat for me. I've been sober over 250 days this year (i have an app that I document each day I've drank and didn't drink). Last year didn't look anything like 2022 for me.
I hope the best for the OP and won't say good luck. Luck isn't part of this
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 8:06 am
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:05 am to King Crab
Sinclair method.
I don’t know if it works, but it could be worth a try.
It’s a pill that makes you not get the pleasurable feelings for alcohol so you eventually just stop.
They argue abstinence doesn’t work because the addiction and good feeling from alcohol is still there because it was there the last time you drank. Which usually results in people going off the deep end next time they drink.
What this does is get your brain used to not feeling good from alcohol. The abuse of alcohol has created a craving in your brain for that feeling again.
I don’t know if it works, but it could be worth a try.
It’s a pill that makes you not get the pleasurable feelings for alcohol so you eventually just stop.
They argue abstinence doesn’t work because the addiction and good feeling from alcohol is still there because it was there the last time you drank. Which usually results in people going off the deep end next time they drink.
What this does is get your brain used to not feeling good from alcohol. The abuse of alcohol has created a craving in your brain for that feeling again.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:29 am to King Crab
Idk how deep you want me to get but uh
It’s pretty easy to just like stop dude
Get a case of the Costco kombucha and make a pan of weed brownies and you’ll be good
It’s pretty easy to just like stop dude
Get a case of the Costco kombucha and make a pan of weed brownies and you’ll be good
Posted on 11/12/22 at 10:30 am to dgnx6
Y’all are telling this dude to take naltrexone and go to aa meetings when he just wants to be ripped
Posted on 11/12/22 at 2:21 pm to el Gaucho
As someone who has been on Naltrexone for many months, it's does help. It's not a magic cure all pill but it does help the cravings at least early on in sobriety
Posted on 11/12/22 at 6:29 pm to King Crab
quote:AA has a terrible track record and the numbers don't lie despite whatever anecdotes people bring.
I have a drinking problem. Help.
I would start with the drugs others have mentioned that either have you stop cravings or make it so disgusting that you just don't want to drink it.
They, I would seriously consider some psychedelic therapy to try to get to the root of what is driving you to drink. You might be surprised what you find. The numbers are WAY better and more lasting with this approach than AA. Hit me up separately if you need some private recommendations.
Good luck - and frick whoever gave you the advice to "just stop".
Posted on 11/12/22 at 6:57 pm to King Crab
Go to meetings, start relationships with people who have been successful for years. Trying it on your own only leads you back down that road. And it only gets worse. Our minds are very easy at convincing ourselves that this time will be different.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:09 pm to King Crab
At some point you will realize that drinking is a net negative and you will decide to stop.
I’ll have a glass of wine every now and then and will crack a few beers on gameday, but that’s it.
It affects your sleep, your overall mood, and the money you spend racks up. Try to calculate how much you spend on booze over the course of a year, and see what it’s costing you overall. What could you be doing with that excess cash and convince yourself it isn’t worth it.
Find another stress outlet. Instead of running to the store, start running to the gym and making it your stress relief.
There isn’t a magical wand you can wave, but you have to start with one step, and then another, and another. It’ll be a long road, but once you start down it, you will see the progress and, hopefully, continue.
I’ll have a glass of wine every now and then and will crack a few beers on gameday, but that’s it.
It affects your sleep, your overall mood, and the money you spend racks up. Try to calculate how much you spend on booze over the course of a year, and see what it’s costing you overall. What could you be doing with that excess cash and convince yourself it isn’t worth it.
Find another stress outlet. Instead of running to the store, start running to the gym and making it your stress relief.
There isn’t a magical wand you can wave, but you have to start with one step, and then another, and another. It’ll be a long road, but once you start down it, you will see the progress and, hopefully, continue.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
AA has a terrible track record and the numbers don't lie
AA started 87 years ago, millions have gotten, and stayed sober, and AA is in 180 countries out of 195 on the globe.
Yeah.. I’d say the numbers support its proven success.
There are many ways to stay sober. I wanted the best odds and AA gave me that.
Posted on 11/12/22 at 8:53 pm to Bama and Beer
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106 days. Sounds like child's play compared to your decade of sobriety
Time doesn’t matter. We’re both one drink away from it being just like it was.
I remember when I was brand new and saw someone pick up a 30 day chip. I started laughing because there was no way I was going 30 days without a beer.
This post was edited on 11/12/22 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 11/13/22 at 1:06 am to pwejr88
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AA started 87 years ago, millions have gotten, and stayed sober, and AA is in 180 countries out of 195 on the globe.
Yeah.. I’d say the numbers support its proven success.
There are many ways to stay sober. I wanted the best odds and AA gave me that.
Maybe...
quote:
Alcoholics Anonymous was established in 1935, when knowledge of the brain was in its infancy. It offers a single path to recovery: lifelong abstinence from alcohol. The program instructs members to surrender their ego, accept that they are “powerless” over booze, make amends to those they’ve wronged, and pray.
Alcoholics Anonymous is famously difficult to study. By necessity, it keeps no records of who attends meetings; members come and go and are, of course, anonymous. No conclusive data exist on how well it works. In 2006, the Cochrane Collaboration, a health-care research group, reviewed studies going back to the 1960s and found that “no experimental studies unequivocally demonstrated the effectiveness of AA or [12-step] approaches for reducing alcohol dependence or problems.”
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The Big Book includes an assertion first made in the second edition, which was published in 1955: that AA has worked for 75 percent of people who have gone to meetings and “really tried.” It says that 50 percent got sober right away, and another 25 percent struggled for a while but eventually recovered. According to AA, these figures are based on members’ experiences.
In his recent book, The Sober Truth: Debunking the Bad Science Behind 12-Step Programs and the Rehab Industry, Lance Dodes, a retired psychiatry professor from Harvard Medical School, looked at Alcoholics Anonymous’s retention rates along with studies on sobriety and rates of active involvement (attending meetings regularly and working the program) among AA members. Based on these data, he put AA’s actual success rate somewhere between 5 and 8 percent. That is just a rough estimate, but it’s the most precise one I’ve been able to find.
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A meticulous analysis of treatments, published more than a decade ago in The Handbook of Alcoholism Treatment Approaches but still considered one of the most comprehensive comparisons, ranks AA 38th out of 48 methods.
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Whereas AA teaches that alcoholism is a progressive disease that follows an inevitable trajectory, data from a federally funded survey called the National Epidemiological Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions show that nearly one-fifth of those who have had alcohol dependence go on to drink at low-risk levels with no symptoms of abuse. And a recent survey of nearly 140,000 adults by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that nine out of 10 heavy drinkers are not dependent on alcohol and, with the help of a medical professional’s brief intervention, can change unhealthy habits.
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AA is basically a religion, founded on zero science, that has taken hold in the popular imagination despite being quite ineffective and with major recidivism. AA teaches this preposterous model of all or nothing and "disease" - none of which is founded in empirical evidence.
Oh, and on top of that - Bill, the founder - he got his insight to start AA after using LSD. We actually DO sort of know that LSD is a potent treatment for addiction.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 1:07 am to pwejr88
quote:This is more absurd AA propaganda that applies MAYBE to 15% or less of alcoholics...and yet here you are just casually telling someone else it's true of them.
Time doesn’t matter. We’re both one drink away from it being just like it was.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 8:31 am to Big Scrub TX
You’re trying to diminish a proven way to help someone stop drinking. You cannot track success in AA because the only stats kept are for professionals who have to report their sobriety to a board. It doesn’t keep track of the heartbroken looking for help. I can tell you for me, and countless members of my family and friends, it has a 100% success rate.
AA was literally started by a doctor and dozens of medical professionals, including psychiatrists, have endorsed it over the years.
AA works because it’s led by people that have been there and can relate.
Drugs lead to drinking and drinking leads to drugs. Trying to cure one with the other is futile.
Are you an alcoholic? How did you get sober?
quote:
founded on zero science
AA was literally started by a doctor and dozens of medical professionals, including psychiatrists, have endorsed it over the years.
AA works because it’s led by people that have been there and can relate.
Drugs lead to drinking and drinking leads to drugs. Trying to cure one with the other is futile.
Are you an alcoholic? How did you get sober?
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/13/22 at 9:07 am to Blutarsky
quote:The app I mentioned above keeps track of that too and this year it says I've saved over $4600 in not drinking. It's staggering and I'm sure that number would be much higher as I eat dumb shitty stuff and get delivery much more and buy the entire group multiple shots while at a bar, drunk.
Try to calculate how much you spend on booze over the course of a year, and see what it’s costing you overall. What could you be doing with that excess cash and convince yourself it isn’t worth it
Edit: and I would buy the cheapest vodka, wine or beer
And I won't get into the whether AA works or not. I've seen it work for many people. One meeting I went to had 2 people with over 40 years of sobriety, each. 80 some years of continuous sobriety between them both
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 9:17 am
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