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re: Help with programming.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:56 pm to Big Ole Baw
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:56 pm to Big Ole Baw
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His goal is to mountain bike and you told him to lift and focus conditioning on the 12-15 minute modality. Do that and then try to go ride a bike for 2 hours next to someone that actually trains to ride a bike for two hours and see which one works out better.
No I didn't. Go read the template, it has easy conditioning built in. I told him to ride the bike as the easy conditioning.
See that's your problem...you don't read.
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:00 pm to SaintTiger80
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To say cardio has no place is silly.. it always just depends on goals.
Being able to knock out several miles running at a good pace is impressive. I don’t think you would get that result with 15 minute sled pushing, sprints, etc.
Also, boxers and bjj guys still put in road work in order to build up their cardio base to go deep into fights.
It is impressive....and I said unless your goal is to increase endurance. And I gave him a template that has easy conditioning built in
But cardio in the traditional way is useless for 99% of people. This particular guy is wanting to get better at something that happens to evolve a specific energy system that happens to be trained by doing longer distance slower conditioning. Which is why I gave him a template with it built in.
And yes if your goals are to run a few miles or involves conditioing....have at it. Other then that it's kind of a waste.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:02 am to lsu777
I'm a little naive about the "cardio does nothing" argument.
I workout 3 days a week and also do Peloton for 20-30 mins 2x a week. I am burning calories and elevating my heart rate- surely that is a positive??
I workout 3 days a week and also do Peloton for 20-30 mins 2x a week. I am burning calories and elevating my heart rate- surely that is a positive??
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:25 am to slinger1317
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I workout 3 days a week and also do Peloton for 20-30 mins 2x a week. I am burning calories and elevating my heart rate- surely that is a positive??
sure if your goal is to just burn calories.
but for athletic training, its useless
for actual body comp....doesnt do much either and its much easier to not eat the calories than try and burn it off
but if you like it and you feel its working for you....keep doing it, especially if you enjoy it. also for many....cardio helps them stay on track as far as diet goes.
if what you are doing is working...keep doing it.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:38 am to lsu777
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but for athletic training, its useless
Can you elaborate more on this? I’m trying figure out what you mean.
Sure, maybe sprinters or power lifters don’t need a ton of steady state cardio. But sports like soccer or the combat sports probably need a ton. Even, basketball and football would need some amount of cardio to be able to go for the whole game.
You’ve already mentioned 110s for football. What about suicides for basketball? I feel like these are staples.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:45 am to SaintTiger80
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Sure, maybe sprinters or power lifters don’t need a ton of steady state cardio. But sports like soccer or the combat sports probably need a ton. Even, basketball and football would need some amount of cardio to be able to go for the whole game.
He's already said that it's usesell and no high level athletes do it, which is absurd.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:24 am to SaintTiger80
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But sports like soccer or the combat sports probably need a ton. Even, basketball and football would need some amount of cardio to be able to go for the whole game.
really...have you watched soccer?
its a 2-4 second sprint followed by tons of walking. go watch it and actually look at the plays. get a stop watch out and time the actual sprint to rest ratios. same for football
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You’ve already mentioned 110s for football. What about suicides for basketball? I feel like these are staples.
yea cause people are stupid and love to teach and do what they were taught instead of understanding energy systems and how they work.
here are some good articles and podcast on this
football-
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plenty of other articles on football conditioing not from defranco...just google
baseball
eric cressey-
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dr heenan
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chad longworth, bill miller and gerry deflippo and the driveline guys talk about it too.
basketball and soccer are the same thing. best way to condition for an athletic event is to practice or mimic the event itself
for example
lets say average basketball seqeunce for your team last 2 min of actual time before a timeout, tv timeout, foul shot etc happens.
lets say we review the tape and find out we run 10 plays in that 2 min. so 20s per play. of the actual 20s on average 3 seconds is a true sprint on average and the other 17s involves slowly moving around to get open or guard. lets say you get a total of 2 hours with half time breaks etc. review the film for your team and figure out how many plays you run a game on average and how many plays you defend on average.
so you start by having all out sprints of 3s with 17s of active recover.
lets say you want to be in true game shape by the time practice starts..in say 10 weeks you want to be able to do 40 of the 2 min sessions per game. lets say you have kept yourself in shape were you can really do 20 right now.
so start at 20 and add 4 extra simulated plays a week, but use a longer active rest time of say 1.5x the game simulation rest time. do that for 5 weeks until you get to 20 actual simulated plays and 20 with extra active rest. then over the next 5 weeks lower the active rest time systematically until you can simulate a true game.
this isnt that hard. and its fricking laughable we have pitchers still running poles in 2021 and coaches that think those things work. same goes for 110s and suicides. fricking retarded.
it trains an energy system that is not even used during the game. it actually detrains you and makes you actually slower.
if you really wanna learn how to actually do this go read a shite ton...google is your greatest friend, take the cpps course, take the opex course, etc.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:37 am to Big Ole Baw
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He's already said that it's usesell and no high level athletes do it, which is absurd.
see there you go not reading again...i said no properly trained high level athlete does it unless its needed for their sport.
you through out matt frazier.....well no shite matt frazier does because there is a chance that it could be an event at the games. frazier is also not a field athlete. just like he does long distance swimming and its because he almost lost the games once over that event and not have trained for it.
again...there is nothing wrong with doing cardio as in jogging
is it the best thing to do for body comp....nope. wont really hurt but it isnt going to be that helpful either. walking will achomplish just as much without the wear and tear on the joints.
is it the best thing to do for field/court athletes....nope and it is actually counter productive.
is it the best thing to do for combat athletes...nope but i get why they do it. but go watch how defranco trains Gracie or how Phil Daru trains his guys.
they arent out there pounding the pavement. this isnt the 70s or even the 90s anymore. there is a reason athletes have gotten so much better.
we want to simulate the game and the eneregy systems used when doing conditioning or better yet...let actual practice be the real conditioning. but if not we need to make sure the actual conditioing is making us better at the actual sport, not worse.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 5:19 pm to lsu777
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see there you go not reading again
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high level athletes do not do that anymore.
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by lsu777
Their your words man. Maybe you misspoke, which is fine, but what you said is set in stone. You flat out said "cardio has no place"
Which is moronic
And this is before we talk about trusting your thoughts on science when you make half a dozen grammatical errors per post
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:11 pm to Big Ole Baw
High level athletes train like I described above unless their sport calls for use of that specific energy system.
As far as grammatical errors....suck my dick...try that on for grammatical errors
As far as grammatical errors....suck my dick...try that on for grammatical errors
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:17 pm to lsu777
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High level athletes train like I described above unless their sport calls for use of that specific energy system.
Then why did you say that NO high level athletes do "cardio" (which you said to do by the way)
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As far as grammatical errors....suck my dick...try that on for grammatical errors
You want to act like a know it all and talk to everyone else like they are some subhuman, but you don't know how to use honophones.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:28 pm to Big Ole Baw
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Then why did you say that NO high level athletes do "cardio" (which you said to do by the way)
Your example is matt frazier....your are being dense just to be dense
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You want to act like a know it all and talk to everyone else like they are some subhuman, but you don't know how to use honophones.
No I type on a phone and use swipe, I don't give a shite about grammar. I'm a freaking engineer, I much prefer math and science.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:44 pm to lsu777
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Your example is matt frazier....your are being dense just to be dense
And boxers and soccer players and MMA fighters, etc, etc. Again, you said NO high level athletes do cardio and that it's stupid and then name called everyone else when they pointed out that's an asinine statement.
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I don't give a shite about grammar. I'm a freaking engineer, I much prefer math and science.
If you can't master third grade grammar why would I think you can understand the endocrine system?
Posted on 12/16/21 at 8:22 pm to Big Ole Baw
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And boxers and soccer players and MMA fighters, etc, etc. Again, you said NO high level athletes do cardio and that it's stupid and then name called everyone else when they pointed out that's an asinine statement.
I didn't name call anyone except for you when you brought up grammatical errors
And I clarified and said no high level athlete that is training properly does jogging or slow cardio unless their specific sports call fir that energy system if they are training correctly.
Correctly trained correctly soccer players don't and many combat sport athletes are doing just what others did in the past. Doesn't mean it's correct. I gave you a link on in of the best trainers for mma.
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If you can't master third grade grammar why would I think you can understand the endocrine system?
I could give two fricks if trust me or not. You are just some new guy on the board that thinks he knows everything. I gave you links to tons of the best trainers in the world and explained how and what kind of conditioning athletes should be doing.
Really do whatever makes you happy bro. I don't give a shite. Tried to teach you something but if you want to live in the 90s and critique my Grammer go ahead and just do your thing.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 8:36 pm to lsu777
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Doesn't mean it's correct. I gave you a link on in of the best trainers for mma.
I gave you real life examples of people that do do it and you say they're stupid and wrong despite their success.
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Tried to teach you something
At the end of the day, you agreed with me. I said do zone two which you said was stupid while simulateneously saying do weighted vest walking for an hour which is zone 2, which is cardio.
And I'll emphasize it again, I didn't say to start running 30 miles a day. I lift 5 days a week. Thursdays and Sundays are no weights and either time on the bike, rower, or running to increase the aerobic base as well as a couple of days of zone 2 in addition to weights. I don't know why you'd ever advocate not improving your aerobic base.
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:49 am to lsu777
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Lsu777
Show me on the doll where the runners touched you.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 7:29 am to Big Ole Baw
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I gave you real life examples of people that do do it and you say they're stupid and wrong despite their success.
You gave me matt frazier.....and I told you it's more of matt doing specific conditioning for specific energy systems.
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At the end of the day, you agreed with me. I said do zone two which you said was stupid while simulateneously saying do weighted vest walking for an hour which is zone 2, which is cardio.
I don't consider that cardio I consider it easy conditioning as you set forth specific and long term goals and work towards those.
Cardio is mindlessly getting on a piece of equipment or jogging just to jog with the sole intention of just getting your heart rate up.
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And I'll emphasize it again, I didn't say to start running 30 miles a day. I lift 5 days a week. Thursdays and Sundays are no weights and either time on the bike, rower, or running to increase the aerobic base as well as a couple of days of zone 2 in addition to weights. I don't know why you'd ever advocate not improving your aerobic base.
I didn't advocate against, just said cardio as in getting on a piece of equipment and mindlessly using it for a certain amount of time is point less when it comes to boydfat, health and athletic ability.
I also said high level athletes, very specifically field athletes and court athletes are not being trained that away and I gave dozens of links on why.
If a person enjoys jogging....by all means do it. Buts it's not needed in any way shape or form for body comp, health or athletics. That was my point and still is.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 7:33 am to jkylejohnson
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Show me on the doll where the runners touched you.
Long distance runners are the douche bags of the exercise world
J/J
In all seriousness I have no problem with people running, especially if they have very specific goals and a program laid out. Have at it.
But it doesn't approve athletic ability and in fact does the opposite. It also is not needed for body comp or health. But if a person enjoys it...I will never tell them they are stupid for doing it. Nor did I in this thread.
I do believe a person should do some conditioning both hard and easy. But I don't consider conditioning cardio either. I explained above what I consider cardio and maybe that's where the disconnect is.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 7:38 am to lsu777
Idk man I went from lifting 5-6 days a week and running 0-1 to running 5-6 days a week and lifting 2-3 and I look lightyears better than I did previously. Diet didn’t change much if any and I just feel better with way more energy.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 7:44 am to jkylejohnson
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Idk man I went from lifting 5-6 days a week and running 0-1 to running 5-6 days a week and lifting 2-3 and I look lightyears better than I did previously. Diet didn’t change much if any and I just feel better with way more energy.
Good luck to your joints.
I would also why the hell where you lifting 5-6 days a week to begin with? Most people can't recover from that.
And what so you mean you look better? As in you lost weight or what? Cause if you did, diet changed despite what you may think or overall you just started burning a bunch more calories. We have a damn good idea on how many calories a hard training session and a how many you burn at certain running paces per unit of time.
Like I said...have no problem with people jogging if they enjoy it, but its not needed.
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