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Has anyone ever used AAS?

Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:48 am
Posted by lsucoonass
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:48 am
Anabolic Androgenic Steroids?

As I’ve gotten older, I’ve been wanting to experiment more with them to see and feel the physiological difference they can make.

I don’t have an addictive nor an a-hole personality so I don’t see myself getting “roid rage” nor abuse. I’m genuinely curious since I have trained with weight for 20-25 years now
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 12:46 pm to
Yup. How old are you and what are your goals? Seeing and feeling a psychological difference isn’t a good enough reason to use them.
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 12:48 pm
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:23 pm to
I’m a researcher by nature so I have to agree to disagree, of course it would have to be carefully planned. That’s what I mean by physiological differences

That said I’d like to lose about 30 pounds of fat. I’m 220 and I’d feel more comfortable at 190-195. I’ll be 38 in June
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 8:31 pm to
Hopping in. For a friend
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 9:58 pm to
Ok as someone that has been on trt for 5 years, and ten+ years of research on this, i want to comment on a few things

1) first cycle should be 300mg/test at your age. That is absolutely plenty and will get you to 2400-3000ng/dl which is about 4 times peak natural levels

2) besides tren, no other steroid will burn fat. It will help you maintain muscle but you could easily do that at your weight following the leangains diet strictly

3) steroids work much much better when below 15% bodyfat. If you want to get the most out of your cycle, you need to get down to that or below first. From there they will be much more effective.

4) I know I talk alot about IF, but on a cycle, it's much better while "on" to spread the feedings out to take advantage of the increased protein synthesis. This is shown in studies along with real world. The more 30g protein meals you can fit, the better.

4) low dose deca will work wonders for your joints. Winstrol will be hard on your joints, var and tren will wreck hdl as will dbol and adrol.

5) at your age health is most important, you aren't making a living from this, always remember that.

6) I can not recommend John Meadows programs enough, especially if "on".

7) more protein you can eat spread out the Better. New studies show it's almost impossible to gain fat from protein alone.

Diet and intensity is still lost important.

Email me if you wanna talk more

Posted by jennyjones
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:45 pm to
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3) steroids work much much better when below 15% bodyfat. If you want to get the most out of your cycle, you need to get down to that or below first. From there they will be much more effective.


Is this so you can eat more or is it due to aromatization risk?
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:16 am to
I'm 38 and have never used steroids. The illegality has always just been a no go for me in terms of job and career.

I have been more interested in TRT over time. I try to make positive changes for health constantly, but it's definitely harder than it used to be.

quote:

besides tren, no other steroid will burn fat. It will help you maintain muscle but you could easily do that at your weight following the leangains diet strictly 


I think people miss this in popular discussions. You see people talking about someone who doesn't look like they're juicing, and half the time it's a big dude carrying a lot of body fat.

Also, I disagree a little bit, in the sense that increased muscle mass will increase metabolism. So, there's an indirect fat loss effect, but I totally agree it should not be the primary thought.
Posted by lsu777
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:21 am to
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this so you can eat more or is it due to aromatization risk?




Kind of both. The studies I have seen show aromatization risk is genetic but at over 18-20% bf showed a much higher risk.

Also mutiple studies have shown at below 15% bodyfat that Nutrition partitioning is increased dramatically down to about 10-12%. After 20% the rate at which fat is added to every pound of muscle is dramatically increased.

With both the risk increases linearly but slowly until about 20%(genetics do play a big role) where the increase no longer is linear and climbs dramatically.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 11:40 am to
Btw all you guys that are 40+ and thinking about aas, better be prepared to go on trt for life, because you prolly won't recover fully. And if you are it's gonna take a hell of a PCT including hcg, clomid, nolva and possibly an AI.
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 11:41 am to
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lsu777


Nailed it, as usual
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

Also, I disagree a little bit, in the sense that increased muscle mass will increase metabolism. So, there's an indirect fat loss effect, but I totally agree it should not be the primary thought.



Absolutely basil metabolic rate is raised with more muscle. I meant it directly burning fat. Only tren can through increased uncoupling causing increased body temps and Halo can very very slightly. Traditional cutting drugs like anavar and winstrol do not, but will give the muscle a harder look. But both are hard on cholesterol, especially bar and winstrol is really hard on the joints.

As far as using when over 15% bodyfat, I explained that below with the rate at which fat is added compared to muscle when in a caloric surplus.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69999 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 2:39 pm to
Thanks for the genuine responses.

I’m not ready to use any at the moment, still want to cut more fat.

But as the future goes I’ll keep you in mind
Posted by SulphursFinest
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:00 pm to
I’ve heard that once you start taking test you shouldn’t stop. I admit I’m not knowledgeable in the subject.

If you’re under 30, and do an 8 wk cycle, 1cc twice a week, are you going to have to depend on it the rest of your life, or can you go one and done?
Posted by jennyjones
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Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:43 pm to
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I'm 38


Same

quote:

I’ll be 38 in June


Young buck
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 5:44 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37970 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

I’ve heard that once you start taking test you shouldn’t stop. I admit I’m not knowledgeable in the subject.

If you’re under 30, and do an 8 wk cycle, 1cc twice a week, are you going to have to depend on it the rest of your life, or can you go one and done?




You will want to use longer acting test so you would want 12 week cycles. If you keep doses low and follow a proper pct, you can recover. The biggest thing is do not skimp on pct. Looking up Dr scalleys power pct protocol.

The more you get into progesterone type compounds like tren and deca, harder it will be to fully recover.
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