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Generalized Anxiety Disorder

Posted on 10/21/19 at 4:14 pm
Posted by Donka Doo Balls
Member since Aug 2016
128 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 4:14 pm
Two months ago I was diagnosed with this by my doctor. I currently see a therapist once every two weeks. I don't quite understand how it helps but it does, as I can see improvement in my mental state from where I used to be. I also take magnesium supplements which I find help.

My question is has anyone that had this get to a point where it is controlled? If yes can you describe what that felt like? Were you able to resume your life? While I find my mental state is improving I think about this daily and wonder if I will ever get to a place where I'm not thinking or worrying about it? I have no desire to take antidepressants but I wonder if that will be inevitable since what I've read states that anxiety doesn't ever really go away.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31442 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 4:54 pm to
I'm pretty sure I have been close to it over the past couple years. I'll describe more later re causes and symptoms. No alcohol is an absolute must, as is exercise (or sauna/steam room when crunched for time or recovering). Oh and sleep. More to follow. Off to steam room (seriously).
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted by Miner
Birmingport
Member since Nov 2017
961 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 6:54 pm to
Mine always gets worse this time of year. Exercise ( which I don't do regularly enough) definitely helps. I tend more towards agoraphobia, which really makes me a homebody when not at work. Even simple things like going out with my wife trigger an attack. But rambling aside, I just came to this board to search this topic, and yours was the first thread! Interested to see others methods of dealing with this.
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
13147 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 6:54 pm to
The more you worry about the worse it will get.
It may not completely go away but it can get better.
Have you recently gone thru a traumatic event?
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14414 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 6:59 pm to
quote:

anxiety doesn't ever really go away.


It doesn’t. Your goal is to learn to manage it.

I was a hermit for the latter half of my 20’s due to anxiety.

No medication did the job. Ultimately it took a lot of counseling and me learning about how my mind works. What are my triggers? Why are they triggers for me?

I continue regular counseling to this day and I don’t ever want to stop. I’m on no medication for anxiety and haven’t been for over a decade.

When I run into a problem, I have the tools to work it out.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73470 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:38 pm to
As a psychotherapist, I can tell you that anxiety disorders are the most treatable with psychotherapy. Other types of disorders respond best to a combination of medication and psychotherapy. The important thing is to stay consistent with psychotherapy make sure to incorporate several stress management strategies between sessions.

I generally recommend a combination of cognitive behavioral therapy, daily exercise, and some form of mindfulness. Some dietary changes can be helpful as well. If your GAD begins to evolve into specific phobias or panic disorder, there are different techniques that address those anxiety disorders more effectively. So, make sure to inform your provider if these things begin to crop up.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73470 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:49 pm to
Miner, your are experiencing symptoms of panic disorder with agoraphobia. There are excellent treatments for that if you find the right clinician. Specifically, a combination of exposure therapies are 85% effective. I don't know if you have already sought help for that or not, but I wanted to let you know that those disorders have a high success rate when the best therapies are employed.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40925 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 9:39 pm to
Also a psychologist. Second everything Patrick said. Would add to it that you should try to be in therapy once weekly, not every other week, if you have the means.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31442 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:00 am to
No joke: the steamroom was out of order. I felt like Woody Allen.

I was about to swim instead, but just as I grabbed my goggles, they removed all the lane dividers for happy family free swim (a/k/a fecal-matter hour). I didn't panic. I laughed and got in the hot tub, while listening to Body by Bill Bryson, which induced a germophobic panic attack.

I'm no Analrapist, but my guess is, pretty much everyone has or is at least very susceptible to generalized anxiety unless he simply ignores reality somehow. We're on a comparatively infinitesimal sphere o dirt spinning until we ourselves become part of that dirt.

It's all in the treatment.


I've always been a bit of a worrier. I went through a lot of shite as a kid, including divorce at age 4-5, when my brother was a baby. I felt like I was responsible for everything at way too young an age. A kindergarten-aged dad. [Insert various bad shite here that followed. ]

I treated the anxiety with alcohol and an odd sense of entitlement, for decades.

Ironically, cancer jolted me out of it in my early 40s, and my first kid at age 44 created a new joy, purpose, and yet new and different anxieties.

I share all of this just so you know, you are not alone in this. And everyone has his own factors contributing to anxiety.

My personal checklist for sanity:
--mindfulness (mine is Christianity-grounded but I'm not proselytizing here--just leave it as mindfulness)

--Pareto's Principle: eliminate the 20% of shite causing 80% of your shite results (this is broad, but it works as a framework). This can include dumping "friends," clients or whole careers.

--exercise every day even if just a short walk (and I was serious about sauna--some great real scientific results)

--diet: I personally don't eat sugar or simple carbs (unless for a race) and utilize endogenous (i.e., my-liver-made) ketones, via diet and fasting. I don't want to proselytize this either, but fasting has a very long history of synergism with mindfulness in many, many societies and traditions.

--tackle loneliness: I say as I type on an anonymous internet forum, but discipline yourself with devices and internet time and plug into real live friends, family and community, including serving others. Get outside your own head. And, related...

--get outdoors and get some vitamin D. Huge.

--turn off the news. We are so inundated with negative information from all over the globe and we don't have the community structures to process it. Unlimited bullshite with very little support systems.

--tackle any addictions, obviously: as I mentioned, I can't drink alcohol any more. Even a little gives me anxiety in the middle of the night now. And it perpetuates poor sleep. Others: porn and internet in general.

--sleep. Deep sleep. Read Matthew Walker's book on sleep

--experiment with supplements: I'm not pushing snake oil, but there is science behind some supplements and the placebo effect is real, so as long as it doesn't have negative side-effects and isn't hurting your bank account (or creating some new obsession and anxiety via worrying about taking it), then it can't hurt. You mentioned Mg. Definitely on my list. I'm not going to list mine. They're pretty obvious ones though.

--this isn't on my list because I don't need it, but the work on PTSD and traumatic brain injury with psychoactive drugs is promising.

--music

--don't neglect the hobbies that bring you joy, even if they seem silly to others or even to you.


I'm not saying to forgo therapy, but there is a lot you can do physiologically and with good habits to at least give yourself a head start and make therapy more productive.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8359 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:51 am to
I have to say, as much as I bs people here about drinking (hello October challenge thread) I tend to avoid it heading from fall to winter. I’ve learned it gets in the way of my passion of hunting. I also fish more in the winter, counter to most. Being outside helps a ton, and prioritizing by setting aside time makes a huge difference. I’ll say that I wasn’t much a hunter 3 years ago. Now, I’m in the woods most weeks. The drinking part is where I ran into trouble, hangovers hurt the outdoors and I don’t want to feel like shite cleaning game. Sleep for me wasn’t a huge issue. I get damn excited to be hunting at sunup, so 4 hrs of sleep is good enough to get me through the morning.

Avoid sugar like the plague. Stay true to natural foods that don’t come in a box. Put the damn cell phone down, turn the TV off and cook every meal. Less ingredients typically the better. Exercise to get the blood flowing, it may be a shite workout, but it will feel better later. Also, maybe a little cold exposure therapy may be up your alley....wim hof has some safe ways to get into. The great thing about is that even mild exposure feels great.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:44 am to
Academy of Ideas

Carl Jung and the Spiritual Problem of the Modern Individual

It is hard to say what your anxiety is derived from based off so little information. But Academy of Ideas has a lot of good information and maybe you'll find something there you identify with to help you.

Like Stories of Old

The Fantasy of Ultimate Purpose – How Our Entertainment Reveals Our Deepest Desire
Same thing with Like Stories of Old but gives interesting breakdowns using media.
Posted by Donka Doo Balls
Member since Aug 2016
128 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:11 am to
When I first started seeing her I was going once a week. At the suggestion of the therapist she states she has seen improvement and recommended we only see each other biweekly.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40925 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:48 am to
That means you’re doing something right
Posted by Donka Doo Balls
Member since Aug 2016
128 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:58 am to
Long Story short for those wanting to know the back story. I didn’t know how to handle the stress from work playing music on the weekends and having my first child in my 30’s. I would drink more and more frequently to escape reality. I noticed myself becoming overweight(190 to about 215) A friend turned me on to smoking Marijuana(CBD oil through a vape pen) to relieve some of my stress and maybe replace my alcohol consumption.(I realize this was stupid) I have smoked maybe a total of 5 times in my life. On the 6th session home alone I smoked too much and had a panic attack. Discussing this with my therapist it was determined that smoking was probably the catalyst for a panic attack but not my disorder. She believes that sooner or later I would have been diagnosed with this based on the way I have processed stress. My entire life I have excessively worried about things.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 1:29 pm
Posted by Donka Doo Balls
Member since Aug 2016
128 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:28 pm to
As with maybe a lot of people in here. I wanted to try to get a frame of reference since this is so new to me. Maybe even pick up some tips that can help
me in the future. The idea of waking up everyday and being nervous about things that once never worried me is a bit scary. I know it’s a process and time along with lifestyle changes can help me. I guess I just never heard from anyone who has had success in treating this and what does treatment actually mean for them.

The good news is this has changed me for the better I am a more active father and husband. It’s made me realize what’s important in my life. Right now it’s just tough having to tell myself I’m ok especially when it’s dealing with fun events for my son. The intensity of my panic attacks has tapered off some but I just hope that it continues to do so to a point where it’s not there every single day.
Posted by Donka Doo Balls
Member since Aug 2016
128 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 1:18 pm to
Thank you for sharing this with me and for the tips. While I do believe my disorder is psychological I should mention the last blood test I had it was determined that my vitamin D levels were low. In a result panel of 30ng/ml-100ng/ml being acceptable my result was 30.7ng/ml I don't think Vitamin D will have some magical transformation on me but I don't think it would hurt to supplement as it may have a positive effect on my mood.

Thoughts?
Posted by Possumslayer
Pascagoula
Member since Jan 2018
6200 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 3:37 pm to
Dear God when did so many men become fragile?
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
22714 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

Dear God when did so many men become fragile?


You and people like you are part of the problem.
Posted by Possumslayer
Pascagoula
Member since Jan 2018
6200 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:01 pm to
I’m not fragile.... suck it up
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
22714 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:13 pm to
I got chills over here. Such a badass.
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