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re: Calcium Scores (Heart)
Posted on 8/10/24 at 8:37 pm to NewOrleansBlend
Posted on 8/10/24 at 8:37 pm to NewOrleansBlend
I’ll post some on Monday that says opposite
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:24 am to NewOrleansBlend
Nattokinase-
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that is enough on Natt....one of the biggest things is 2,000 iu daily is not enough. need 4-5x that to see benefits. LINK
combined with red yeast rice(mild statin)
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overall i have seen my blood work improve tremendously with Natt. so believe what you want, i take 12000 iu. 6k(3 caps) in morning, 6k at night.
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In summary, our data from this largest clinical study involving 1,062 participants suggest that NK at the daily dose of 10,800 FU, which is higher than the recommended dose of 2,000 FU, is significantly effective in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia. No adverse effects associated with the use of NK is observed. The study advances our understanding of the action of NK and the importance of the dosage of NK. We also demonstrate that other factors, including lifestyle and co-use of vitamin K2 and aspirin, could contribute positively to the clinical outcome. Our findings provide evidence that promising and positive clinical outcome in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia can be achieved safely by using NK at a dose of 10,800 FU per day.
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Using randomised picking method, all patients were randomly assigned to one of two groups, nattokinase (NK) and statin (ST) group. NK Group-patients were given NK at a daily dose of 6000 FU and ST Group-patients were treated with statin (simvastatin 20 mg) daily. The treatment course was 26 weeks. Common carotid artery intima media thickness (CCA-IMT), carotid plaque size and blood lipid profile of the patients were measured before and after treatment.
A total of 82 patients were enrolled in the study and 76 patients completed the study. Following the treatments for 26 weeks, there was a significant reduction in CCA-IMT and carotid plaque size in both groups compared with the baseline before treatment. The carotid plaque size and CCA-IMT reduced from 0.25±0.12cm2 to 0.16±0.10cm2 and from 1.13±0.12mm to 1.01±0.11mm, repectively. The reduction in the NK group was significantly profound, a 36.6% reduction in plaque size in NK group versus 11.5% change in ST group. Both treatments reduced total cholesterol (TC), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) and triglyceride (TG).
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Our findings from this pioneer clinical study suggests that daily NK supplementation is an effective way to manage the progression of atherosclerosis and potentially may be a better alternative to statins which are commonly used to reduce atherosclerosis and further to prevent cardiovascular attack and stroke in patients. The mechanism underlying the reduction of carotid atherosclerosis by NK may be independent from its lipid-lowering effect, which is different from that of statins.
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nattokinase supplementation resulted in a reduction in SBP and DBP. These findings suggest that increased intake of nattokinase may play an important role in preventing and treating hypertension.
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The highest quartile of natto intake compared with the lowest intake was significantly associated with a decreased risk of mortality from total CVD after control for covariates: the HR was 0.75 (95% CI: 0.64, 0.88, P-trend = 0.0004). There were no significant associations between the risk of mortality from total CVD and intakes of total soy protein, total soy isoflavone, and soy protein or soy isoflavone from soy foods other than natto. The highest quartiles of total soy protein and natto intakes were significantly associated with a decreased risk of mortality from total stroke (HR = 0.75, 95% CI: 0.57, 0.99, P-trend = 0.03 and HR = 0.68, 95% CI: 0.52, 0.88, P-trend = 0.0004, respectively). The highest quartile of natto intake was also significantly associated with a decreased risk of mortality from ischemic stroke (HR = 0.67, 95% CI:0.47, 0.95, P-trend = 0.03).
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Nattokinase seems to reduce blood clotting by breaking down fibrin (a molecule that entangles platelets and creates blood clots) by degrading plasminogen activator inhibitor-1 (PAI-1, a protein that makes clotting more efficient). PAI-1 disables plasminogen activators (PAs), including tissue-type plasminogen activator (tPA), a serine protease which is administered therapeutically to break up blood clots in conditions such as ischemic stroke and heart attack.[4][14] Studies in humans have shown that ingesting a single dose of nattokinase increases blood levels of tPA for about 3 hours,[15] while regular administration (taking 1,300 mg of nattokinase 3 times daily for 8 days) seems to gradually increase tPA in the blood over time.[7] Small studies conducted in generally healthy people, as well as people on dialysis and with cardiovascular disease, showed that taking 800 mg (4,000 fibrinolytic units) of enteric-coated nattokinase 30 minutes after dinner every day for 2 months reduced serum fibrinogen by 7–10%, factor VII by 7–14%, and factor VIII by 17–19% compared to baseline. The reduction in fibrinogen in people with cardiovascular disease and the reduction in factor VII in people on dialysis did not reach statistical significance, possibly due to insufficient power in the study.[16]
that is enough on Natt....one of the biggest things is 2,000 iu daily is not enough. need 4-5x that to see benefits. LINK
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This study further supports that nattokinase can be used as an effective adjunctive therapy for hypertension, but relatively low-dose supplementation of nattokinase may have no significant lipid-lowering effect. More work will need to be done to determine whether the positive efficacy of nattokinase on cardiovascular risk factors is dose-dependent.
combined with red yeast rice(mild statin)
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overall i have seen my blood work improve tremendously with Natt. so believe what you want, i take 12000 iu. 6k(3 caps) in morning, 6k at night.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 9:29 am
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:55 am to NewOrleansBlend
Pomegranate- overall benefits
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this one showed in women most vulnerable, it helped
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Mean intima-media thickness (IMT) of the left and right common carotid arteries from severe carotid artery stenosis (CAS) patients that did not consume pomegranate juice (PJ), increased significantly (P<0.01), by 9%, during 1 year period from 1.52±0.03 to 1.65±0.04 mm. In contrast, mean IMT (of the left and right common carotid arteries) in CAS patients that consumed PJ for up to 1 year was reduced after 3, 6, 9 and 12 months of PJ consumption by 13%, 22%, 26% and 35%, respectively, in
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The results of the present study thus suggest that PJ consumption by patients with CAS decreases carotid IMT and systolic blood pressure and these effects could be related to the potent antioxidant characteristics of PJ polyphenols.
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In conclusion, these results suggest that in subjects at moderate coronary heart disease risk, pomegranate juice consumption had no significant effect on overall CIMT progression rate but may have slowed CIMT progression in subjects with increased oxidative stress and disturbances in the TG-rich lipoprotein/HDL axis.
this one showed in women most vulnerable, it helped
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We thus conclude that PJ consumption by diabetic patients did not worsen the diabetic parameters, but rather resulted in anti-oxidative effects on serum and macrophages, which could contribute to attenuation of atherosclerosis development in these patients.
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Our aim was to investigate the effects of Wonderful variety pomegranate juice (WPJ) and pomegranate polyphenol extract (WPOMxl) consumption on PON1 association with HDL in diabetic patients. Thirty patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus participated in the study. Ten male patients and 10 female patients received concentrated WPJ (50 mL/day for 4 weeks), while another group of 10 male patients received WPOMxl (5 mL/day for 6 weeks). There were no significant effects of WPJ or WPOMxl consumption on fasting blood glucose or hemoglobin A1c levels. After 4 weeks of WPJ consumption by male patients, basal serum oxidative stress was significantly decreased by 35%, whereas serum concentrations of thiol groups significantly increased by 25%. Moreover, HDL-associated PON1 arylesterase, paraoxonase, and lactonase activities increased significantly after WPJ consumption by 34-45%, as compared to the baseline levels. PON1 protein binding to HDL was significantly increased by 30% following WPJ consumption, and the enzyme became more stable. In male patients that consumed WPOMxl and in female patients that consumed PJ, a similar pattern was observed, although to a lesser extent. We conclude that WPJ as well as WPOMxl consumption by diabetic patients does not worsen their diabetic parameters. Furthermore, WPJ as well as WPOMxl consumption contribute to PON1 stabilization, increased association with HDL, and enhanced catalytic activities. These beneficial effects of pomegranate consumption on serum PON1 stability and activity could lead to retardation of atherosclerosis development in diabetic patients.
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Dietary supplementation of polyphenol-rich pomegranate juice to atherosclerotic mice significantly inhibited the development of atherosclerotic lesions and this may be attributed to the protection of LDL against oxidation
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In humans, pomegranate juice consumption decreased LDL susceptibility to aggregation and retention and increased the activity of serum paraoxonase (an HDL-associated esterase that can protect against lipid peroxidation) by 20%. In E(0) mice, oxidation of LDL by peritoneal macrophages was reduced by up to 90% after pomegranate juice consumption and this effect was associated with reduced cellular lipid peroxidation and superoxide release. The uptake of oxidized LDL and native LDL by mouse peritoneal macrophages obtained after pomegranate juice administration was reduced by 20%. Finally, pomegranate juice supplementation of E(0) mice reduced the size of their atherosclerotic lesions by 44% and also the number of foam cells compared with control E(0) mice supplemented with water.
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Pomegranate juice consumption may reduce systolic blood pressure, inhibits serum ACE activity, and is convincingly a heart-healthy fruit
Posted on 8/12/24 at 9:55 am to lsu777
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again i have seen improvements in my own personal bloodwork
many of these protocols I give yall are what are being prescribed to hardcore steroid users to keep them from killing over after long cycles and nothing else working.
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Ten patients were supplemented with PJ for 1 year and five of them continued for up to 3 years. Blood samples were collected before treatment and during PJ consumption. In the control group that did not consume PJ, common carotid intima-media thickness (IMT) increased by 9% during 1 year, whereas, PJ consumption resulted in a significant IMT reduction, by up to 30%, after 1 year. The patients’ serum paraoxonase 1 (PON 1) activity was increased by 83%, whereas serum LDL basal oxidative state and LDL susceptibility to copper ion-induced oxidation were both significantly reduced, by 90% and 59%, respectively, after 12 months of PJ consumption, compared to values obtained before PJ consumption. Furthermore, serum levels of antibodies against oxidized LDL were decreased by 19%, and in parallel serum total antioxidant status (TAS) was increased by 130% after 1 year of PJ consumption. Systolic blood pressure was reduced after 1 year of PJ consumption by 21% and was not further reduced along 3 years of PJ consumption. For all studied parameters, the maximal effects were observed after 1 year of PJ consumption. Further consumption of PJ, for up to 3 years, had no additional beneficial effects on IMT and serum PON1 activity, whereas serum lipid peroxidation was further reduced by up to 16% after 3 years of PJ consumption.
The results of the present study thus suggest that PJ consumption by patients with CAS decreases carotid IMT and systolic blood pressure and these effects could be related to the potent antioxidant characteristics of PJ polyphenols.
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Consumption of pomegranate juice which is rich in tannins, possess anti-atherosclerotic properties which could be related to its potent anti-oxidative characteristics. As some antioxidants were recently shown to reduce blood pressure, we studied the effect of pomegranate juice consumption (50 ml, 1.5mmol of total polyphenols per day, for 2 weeks) by hypertensive patients on their blood pressure and on serum angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) activity. A 36% decrement in serum ACE activity and a 5% reduction in systolic blood pressure were noted. Similar dose-dependent inhibitory effect (31%) of pomegranate juice on serum ACE activity was observed also in vitro. As reduction in serum ACE activity, even with no decrement in blood pressure, was previously shown to attenuate atherosclerosis, pomegranate juice can offer a wide protection against cardiovascular diseases which could be related to its inhibitory effect on oxidative stress and on serum ACE activity.
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The experimental and control groups showed similar levels of stress-induced ischemia (SDS) at baseline (p >0.05). After 3 months, the extent of stress-induced ischemia decreased in the pomegranate group (SDS -0.8 +/- 2.7) but increased in the control group (SDS 1.2 +/- 3.1, p <0.05). This benefit was observed without changes in cardiac medications, blood sugar, hemoglobin A1c, weight, or blood pressure in either group. In conclusion, daily consumption of pomegranate juice may improve stress-induced myocardial ischemia in patients who have CHD.
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Pomegranate juice consumption for 3 years by patients with carotid artery stenosis reduces common carotid intima-media thickness, blood pressure and LDL oxidation
again i have seen improvements in my own personal bloodwork
many of these protocols I give yall are what are being prescribed to hardcore steroid users to keep them from killing over after long cycles and nothing else working.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:41 am to lsu777
Wow thanks for all the info 777.
The Natto I’m taking says 400mg/8000 FU per serving (3 caps), this is what I currently take.
Sounds like this is not enough. Should be taking 5? Or should I do 2x a day?
The Natto I’m taking says 400mg/8000 FU per serving (3 caps), this is what I currently take.
Sounds like this is not enough. Should be taking 5? Or should I do 2x a day?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 10:59 am to LSUSports247
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Or should I do 2x a day?
this
Posted on 8/14/24 at 1:24 pm to RanchoLaPuerto
Don’t forget to have carotid artery scan as well. That plus heart scan gives better picture.
I worry about folks who never get any scans at all for whatever reason. It’s like walking around with a ticking time bomb in your chest.
Stress & food induced inflamation, although not understood by a lot of folks, can be just as deadly as being overweight with a bad diet with respect to blocked arteries. Gluten is baaaaaaad news!
I worry about folks who never get any scans at all for whatever reason. It’s like walking around with a ticking time bomb in your chest.
Stress & food induced inflamation, although not understood by a lot of folks, can be just as deadly as being overweight with a bad diet with respect to blocked arteries. Gluten is baaaaaaad news!
Posted on 8/14/24 at 4:40 pm to Stumpknocker
I have two scores on my recent and first time results.
Coronary Artery Calcium Score, and
Aortic Valve Calcium Score
CAC score is high but AVC score indicates Iam below a serious threshold.
I am going back to doctor in early September.
One score looks like I should be already dead but the other score doesn’t put me in the “Serious” category
Coronary Artery Calcium Score, and
Aortic Valve Calcium Score
CAC score is high but AVC score indicates Iam below a serious threshold.
I am going back to doctor in early September.
One score looks like I should be already dead but the other score doesn’t put me in the “Serious” category
Posted on 8/16/24 at 9:18 am to lsu777
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Nattokinase- LINK quote:In summary, our data from this largest clinical study involving 1,062 participants suggest that NK at the daily dose of 10,800 FU, which is higher than the recommended dose of 2,000 FU, is significantly effective in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia. No adverse effects associated with the use of NK is observed. The study advances our understanding of the action of NK and the importance of the dosage of NK. We also demonstrate that other factors, including lifestyle and co-use of vitamin K2 and aspirin, could contribute positively to the clinical outcome. Our findings provide evidence that promising and positive clinical outcome in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia can be achieved safely by using NK at a dose of 10,800 FU per day.
The data on nattokonase is certainly interesting, more interesting than pomegranate juice. However I would view it as hypothesis generating, not something to support its use. Chinese studies can’t be trusted. 1/2 the authors of the study above are employees of a nattokinase manufacturer. I’d like to see a European or North American study at a higher dose.
I think it’s probably safe, although still unlikely to be effective, to use in middle aged people at risk of ascvd. However, I’m not sure of the safety in older people or those on blood thinners who are at higher risk of bleeding given it’s thrombolytic properties.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 9:37 am to NewOrleansBlend
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I think it’s probably safe, although still unlikely to be effective, to use in middle aged people at risk of ascvd. However, I’m not sure of the safety in older people or those on blood thinners who are at higher risk of bleeding given it’s thrombolytic properties.
ill say this...many of the protocols i use or bring here are the ones being used on steroid abusing bodybuilders to fix them and they are seeing insane improvements in blood markers using the protocols i have put fourth here
i have seen huge improvements since i started using the protocols and Nattokinase was the one that had the biggest impact as i added them one at a time. Same thing happened for a couple people I advise IRL where they happened to have short term memory issues from statins and were able to cut dose in half and improve blood work with only adding the Natt and citrus bergmont as I instructed along with super K.
bunch of people on here have had the same kind of results.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 2:32 pm to lsu777
Just saw some of the info in D3/K2 as well regarding reducing calcification. Im keenly interested in this as I had a monster score a few years ago. Follow up imaging showed no blockages but I’m definitely in the high risk group. Been on a statin and aspirin ever since.
Been taking natto and back on Pom juice on the regular. Anything behind the D3/K2 info?
Been taking natto and back on Pom juice on the regular. Anything behind the D3/K2 info?
Posted on 8/19/24 at 2:55 pm to SquatchDawg
k2 for sure, i would have to look into D3 more but lots of info out there on D and B.
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