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Baton Rouge Study on Time-Restricted Feeding (s/k/a "intermittent fasting")
Posted on 11/19/19 at 5:01 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 5:01 am
This is a well designed and reported study on Time-Restricted Feeding, conducted at Pennington.
LINK
LINK
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Early Time-Restricted Feeding Improves Insulin Sensitivity, Blood Pressure, and Oxidative Stress Even without Weight Loss in Men with Prediabetes
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:59 am to McLemore
No meals after 2 pm. Lol frick no. I do too much physical work for that.
IF is a tool to manage calorie intake. That’s it.
IF is a tool to manage calorie intake. That’s it.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 7:13 am to McLemore
Very interesting data, and pretty darn well done.
I wonder why they mention several times that nobody lost weight yet make no mention of how they determined TDEEs or any kind of weight data? Seems like a gaping hole for such a report. It is a central crux issue to the results.
ETA
NVM all that data is way at the bottom
Man those are terrible macros assigned
I wonder why they mention several times that nobody lost weight yet make no mention of how they determined TDEEs or any kind of weight data? Seems like a gaping hole for such a report. It is a central crux issue to the results.
ETA
NVM all that data is way at the bottom
Man those are terrible macros assigned
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 7:19 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 7:15 am to DeafJam73
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IF is a tool to manage calorie intake. That’s it.
In general I agree with you but if some afternoon fasting can supplement or outright replace medication in prediabetic patients, it's with a look
Posted on 11/19/19 at 7:19 am to Hulkklogan
I don’t understand biology and anatomy enough to really give a good opinion, but I just don’t see the logic. Either way, research with good science never hurt anyone.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:20 am to McLemore
That's really well put together
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:07 am to DeafJam73
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IF is a tool to manage calorie intake. That’s it
Someone clearly didn't read the study. Or any other studies on Time-Restricted Feeding. But we'll go with your gut, as it were.
Just saw your second comment :
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but I just don’t see the logic.
Valter Longo is my go to for the science. Attia brings it down one accessibility notch. And Fung another. It's real science regardless of what Twitter trolls like Layne Norton say.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:08 am to Hulkklogan
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Man those are terrible macros assigned
Yeah it's funny how these things are designed. But I like the indicators for pre-diabetics who clearly have never even heard of a "macro."
Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:59 pm to McLemore
My guess is it's designed to mimic what the average American diet looks like.
I don't want to completely derail this thread but Layne's not typically one to ignore good science. I think he generalizes to provide info to gen pop but things like this point to helping those with conditions. For a reasonably healthy overweight person, the majority of benefits will come from caloric restriction and weight loss and they won't see much benefit from fasting unless it is used as a tool for caloric restriction and/or helps with adherence
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It's real science regardless of what Twitter trolls like Layne Norton
I don't want to completely derail this thread but Layne's not typically one to ignore good science. I think he generalizes to provide info to gen pop but things like this point to helping those with conditions. For a reasonably healthy overweight person, the majority of benefits will come from caloric restriction and weight loss and they won't see much benefit from fasting unless it is used as a tool for caloric restriction and/or helps with adherence
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:27 pm to Hulkklogan
I could do it if the fast were early. I just don't think I could go to sleep if I ate nothing after 3. Maybe if I were allowed bourbon.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 5:31 pm to Hulkklogan
I agree. And as 777 noted he had a Dom D chapter in his book. I had to stop following on Twitter though because he's so bombastic and chooses his criticism victims with all the precision of an A bomb.
I do want to see more evidence on the more precise benefits of fasting v mere caloric restriction. The studies are out there in rodents and as we've seen are building in human studies which are inherently difficult to design and implement.
I also what to see more studies re: feeding timing vis-a-vis chronotype and circadian rhythm. Unlike most lab rats and mice, for the most part, humans have differing cronotypes (which makes sense evolutionary). Also as noted it would be nice to see fasting studies combined with various macro compositions. Attia does the "nothing burger," for example. Multi-day fast sandwiched beteen keto days.
I'm a big fan of compiling n=1ers as pilot type studies. They are in many ways potentially more reliable than a lot of questionnaire epi.
But most people who faithfully n=1 and report it are "healthy subjects," so that's a big bias and flaw.
The double blinds are in the works though.
I think we're going to be overwhelmed with good evidence of the overall health benefits of not just caloric restriction or even just TRF and macros, but specific time windows per chronotype. Just an informed hunch.
I hate the calorie=calorie v. "metabolic health" debate. Both are very clearly true.
And more on
I do want to see more evidence on the more precise benefits of fasting v mere caloric restriction. The studies are out there in rodents and as we've seen are building in human studies which are inherently difficult to design and implement.
I also what to see more studies re: feeding timing vis-a-vis chronotype and circadian rhythm. Unlike most lab rats and mice, for the most part, humans have differing cronotypes (which makes sense evolutionary). Also as noted it would be nice to see fasting studies combined with various macro compositions. Attia does the "nothing burger," for example. Multi-day fast sandwiched beteen keto days.
I'm a big fan of compiling n=1ers as pilot type studies. They are in many ways potentially more reliable than a lot of questionnaire epi.
But most people who faithfully n=1 and report it are "healthy subjects," so that's a big bias and flaw.
The double blinds are in the works though.
I think we're going to be overwhelmed with good evidence of the overall health benefits of not just caloric restriction or even just TRF and macros, but specific time windows per chronotype. Just an informed hunch.
I hate the calorie=calorie v. "metabolic health" debate. Both are very clearly true.
And more on
Posted on 11/19/19 at 7:20 pm to McLemore
While I would love to see those, the thing is 99% of studies have to focus on the average person. For the average person getting them to eat 100g of protein, eat in a deficit for any length of time and workout a couple times a week is a huge huge accomplishment.
And Layne is a douche nozzle online, but he actually extremely smart and knowledgeable about diet and Training.
And Layne is a douche nozzle online, but he actually extremely smart and knowledgeable about diet and Training.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:59 pm to McLemore
Thanks for sharing. I enjoy the mental sharpness that comes with a mild, 14-18 hr fast.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 10:03 pm to McLemore
There are just some things that are harder to study with objective quantifiable data
Fasting had been used for thousands of years so there’s value to it
Fasting had been used for thousands of years so there’s value to it
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 10:03 pm
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