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re: What really grinds your gears?

Posted on 7/10/17 at 9:15 am to
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29281 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 9:15 am to
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People not fixing their ball marks or divots?
A: People like that should be hit in the ankles repeatedly with a 9-iron.

The guy you just met giving you swing tips after 4 holes?
A: Why don't you want my expert advice, hacker?

The guy who spits sunflower seeds on the green?
A: I don't play trashy courses.

The 5some that won't let the 2some play thru?
A: Again, I don't play trashy courses that allow 5-somes.

The 2some that's holding up a 4some?
A: Women shouldn't be allowed to play be themselves.

The guy with head covers for his irons?
A: But my mom made them.

Getting hit into from the group behind?
A: I play fast. Never happens.

Only seeing the cart girl once?
A: Depends. How hot is it outside and how hot is she?

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36229 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 9:58 am to
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people using laser range finders inside 75 yards


This is where your score is made and most important to dial in the exact yardage.
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
11865 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:01 am to
People who beg for gimmes.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86327 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:16 am to
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One I forgot is the group that just hit 210 yd drives on a par 5 but are waiting for the green to clear from 270 out. Never fails. They top it and it goes 60.


You know that as long as they stay in touch with the group ahead this doesn't affect your group?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87177 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:27 am to
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You know that as long as they stay in touch with the group ahead this doesn't affect your group?
Wrong. It's very likely doing this makes them fall behind from the group ahead because they still aren't going to hit the green from 210 out. It may not affect how quickly we finish the round if we stay behind them, but it certainly affects the time waiting between shots. The hole may take 20 minutes to play regardless, but at least 15 of that isn't waiting on the tee. You lose the rhythm to the round.

ETA: The scenario that should happen is this: They hit their "layups" and move on. We hit our tee shots. By the time they get set up and ready for their next shots into the green (which should be wedges) the green has cleared and they can hit again. Now our guys who are laying up and hit and those looking to go for it from 200-220 wait.

But instead we get this: They wait. We wait. They top the ball. We wait longer. From 200+ out they all miss the green. We tee off. Some of our guys can lay up. We wait even more because instead of some of them putting, all of them are chipping.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 10:39 am
Posted by Zanzibaw
BR
Member since Jun 2016
2954 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:33 am to
Nobody has mentioned pulling up to 10 teebox and the group ahead of you just coming up to the teebox from their extended stop at the clubhouse
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86327 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:35 am to
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You know that as long as they stay in touch with the group ahead


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It's very likely doing this makes them fall behind from the group ahead


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It may not affect how quickly we finish the round if we stay behind them,
It will not.

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The hole may take 20 minutes to play regardless, but at least 15 of that isn't waiting on the tee. You lose the rhythm to the round.


You're being irrational.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87177 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:40 am to
I added this to the post above. You still don't get it.

The scenario that should happen is this: They hit their "layups" and move on. We hit our tee shots. By the time they get set up and ready for their next shots into the green (which should be wedges) the green has cleared and they can hit again. Now our guys who are laying up can hit and those looking to go for it from 200-220 wait.

But instead we get this: They wait. We wait. They top the ball. We wait longer. From 200+ out they all miss the green. We tee off. Some of our guys can lay up. We wait even more because instead of some of them putting, all of them are chipping.

ETA: This is literally what causes backups on par 5s. Guys waiting for the green who shouldn't either because A) they don't have nearly the distance or B) they don't have the control with the woods anyway.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 10:44 am
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34068 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:45 am to
I don't mind people play bad golf as long as they are quick about it. It's the groups that stop at everyone's ball to watch them hit or cart partners who refuse to walk 10 years so they can park the cart in the middle that piss me off. Even better that 20+er who takes 8 warm up swings and plumbobs a 3 footer.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86327 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:57 am to
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You still don't get it.
You have access to irony. That's great

quote:

The scenario that should happen is this: They hit their "layups" and move on. We hit our tee shots. By the time they get set up and ready for their next shots into the green (which should be wedges) the green has cleared and they can hit again. Now our guys who are laying up can hit and those looking to go for it from 200-220 wait.

But instead we get this: They wait. We wait. They top the ball. We wait longer. From 200+ out they all miss the green. We tee off. Some of our guys can lay up. We wait even more because instead of some of them putting, all of them are chipping.

ETA: This is literally what causes backups on par 5s. Guys waiting for the green who shouldn't either because A) they don't have nearly the distance or B) they don't have the control with the woods anyway.
None of this matters. You think it does, which is hilarious.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87177 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:59 am to
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I don't mind people play bad golf as long as they are quick about it
I don't want anyone thinking I'm against certain levels of golf. Absolutely not. My point very similar to yours. Play on pace. We're not talking about a group of players who just hit bad shots off the tee and could possibly run it up from 250 (not many out there).

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. #9 at Greystone. We are a 4some following a 2some. They had a 4some in front of them they were struggling to keep up with but pace was generally fine. On 9 though, their tee shots were short and right. It's an island green. They were no closer than 250 (probably 270) but they waited for it to clear. So we wait on the tee. One of them hits it in the ditch, the other tops it 40 yds. So we keep waiting. They finally realize they aren't going to get there even after those last two bad shots, so they both still lay up to the area over the ditch. It absolutely lengthened the amount of time we are on that hole and their ability to keep pace with the group ahead.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 11:03 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87177 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:59 am to
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None of this matters. You think it does, which is hilarious.
You think it doesn't?
Posted by LSUShock
Kansas
Member since Jun 2014
5524 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:03 am to
It's not about the actual putt itself, no problem with that at all.

It's the standing over it at my 2 o clock when I'm standing over my own putt to finish out the hole. It bothers me seeing them out my peripheral.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86327 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:04 am to
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ETA: The scenario that should happen is this: They hit their "layups" and move on. We hit our tee shots. By the time they get set up and ready for their next shots into the green (which should be wedges) the green has cleared and they can hit again. Now our guys who are laying up and hit and those looking to go for it from 200-220 wait.

But instead we get this: They wait. We wait. They top the ball. We wait longer. From 200+ out they all miss the green. We tee off. Some of our guys can lay up. We wait even more because instead of some of them putting, all of them are chipping.

Ah, so it's bad golfers that grind your gears. The short guys waiting doesn't affect you. Cute that you still think it does.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50366 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:04 am to
The guy who has to keep score for the group, but doesn't ever get them right (even after asking) while taking forever to write them down.

Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34068 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:06 am to
I get what you are saying now. I see it a lot where a guy hits a drive 250 and waits for a par 5 to clear and he's 265 out.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87177 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:08 am to
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Ah, so it's bad golfers that grind your gears. The short guys waiting doesn't affect you.
No. See Coach Chappy's last response. That's the same thing. I was only using a recent example. It's ANYONE who shouldn't be going for the green.
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Cute that you still think it does.
Again, you still have explained why it doesn't.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86327 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:11 pm to
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Again, you still have explained why it doesn't.


You're just changing where you wait:

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We wait even more because instead of some of them putting, all of them are chipping.


As I said in my first post, if they don't lose touch with the group in front, it's no issue. Biggest fallacy in golf, and I am surprised you don't see it.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87177 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:16 pm to
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You're just changing where you wait:
I acknowledged this... multiple times and even explained why that's still a problem. Waiting in one place for an extended period can ruin the rhythm of a round, especially when it's not necessary. But that's only with the stipulation that the group keeps up, which again, isn't likely for a group playing this way. Meaning the "layup + wedge" is much faster than "wait + wood (less control) + iron/wedge" so the group is more likely to keep pace.
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Biggest fallacy in golf, and I am surprised you don't see it.
The waiting in larger chunks is not a fallacy.
Posted by Brodeur
Member since Feb 2012
4671 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:26 pm to
Slow play, and more specifically, loafing off the green and then sitting in a cart for 2 minutes before going to the next teebox.
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