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re: The PGA Tour bloodletting begins...Hawaii swing axed from schedule

Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:21 pm to
The PGA has been extremely open that they’re doing a significant revamp of their competitive structure and schedule under Rolapp and SSG. That was the entire premise of the big state of the union address at the Players. It’s been telegraphed for months that part of the revamped schedule was going to be no Hawaii. They want to avoid the nfl entirely and hold events in bigger markets.

Extremely unsurprising and also intellectually dishonest that the LIV boys are trying to frame this news as some sort of “Gotcha!” moment. Also a weird position in general to celebrate LIV lighting money on fire with the world’s worst professional sports business model of all time, propped up solely by a member of the Saudi Royal family spending billions of dollars on a pet project with no thought of financial return, and then attempt to somehow denigrate the pga tour for operating in a world of business and financial reality

Posted by JimTiger72
LA
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:32 pm to
I get there was the big news of PIF changing their strategy with investments moving forward… but it’s obvious that there has been an all out effort by the golf media against LIV over the past week.

Then the PGA Tour becomes an official partner with Front Office Sports. They’re making it obvious

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Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:51 pm to
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are trying to frame this news as some sort of “Gotcha!” moment.

I'm not framing anything. The PGA, Like LIV, is making financial moves to make the tour more sustainable. The current PGA tour with massive purses is not sustainable. SSG bought them some time to try to get their house in order and stop the LIV defections. Go look at the PGA Tour's financials from last year. They're not good.

PGA Tour’s $451M Loss Exposes Deeper Financial Tensions as Alarming Report Emerges
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Mr. Blutarski
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Oct 2012
1948 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:53 pm to
The tour doesn't pay the purses. The sponsors do.
Posted by Mr. Blutarski
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Oct 2012
1948 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:57 pm to
PGA Tour purses are primarily funded by title sponsors—corporations that pay a fee exceeding the prize money—along with revenue from television and media rights deals with partners like CBS, NBC, and ESPN. Local host organizations, which run the tournaments, handle on-site expenses, while sponsors cover the lion's share of the purse, often exceeding $20 million in "Signature Events"

You don't know shite, Pirate
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
68396 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:02 pm to
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The tour doesn't pay the purses. The sponsors do.
wrong
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The PGA Tour is heavily subsidizing, or funding, increased tournament purses, particularly for its "signature" events ($20M+), by implementing new fees on tournaments and utilizing its own reserves, a model that some consider unsustainable. This strategy, initiated to compete with LIV Golf, involves using revenue from television rights

quote:

The Tour is planning a "slimming down" of the schedule and shifting some events to PGA Tour Champions as part of its effort to balance costs and sustainability.


The PGA Tour has a spending problem, hence the cutting of spending, as outlined in the OP. This is not a radical take.
Posted by Mr. Blutarski
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Oct 2012
1948 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:23 pm to
Why'd you leave this part off?

Title Sponsors: Companies that host tournaments pay for the prize money, usually as part of a package that costs them roughly 150% of the total purse, covering prize money, charity donations, and event branding.
Posted by Mr. Blutarski
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Oct 2012
1948 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:25 pm to
The rest of it:


Title Sponsors: Companies that host tournaments pay for the prize money, usually as part of a package that costs them roughly 150% of the total purse, covering prize money, charity donations, and event branding.

Television Rights: Revenue from massive, long-term broadcasting deals provides the foundational funding for the PGA Tour to support these high purses.

PGA Tour Reserves: To combat competition from rival leagues, the PGA Tour has utilized its own financial reserves to increase purse sizes for "Signature Events," which often reach $20 million or more.
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
45984 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:44 pm to
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and facts to back up this assertion are last years strength of field rankings, where the 2025 Sony Open was above or tied with these full-field, non-major events- Texas Children's Open Sentry Valspar Wyndham Rocket Classic The American Express Canadian Open Farmers Valero CJ Cup Cognizant 3M John Deere


Are you under the impression that any of these fields are good?

Sentry doesn’t count bc it’s not full field.

One of the CJ Cup/Schwab needs to go (combine Hogan and Byron at Colonial is my answer)

Zurich stinks but is also in a brutal schedule position. Surrounded by 2 majors and 3 Sig Events.

Farmers last year is a little misleading because they were also gonna play the Genesis there so a handful of guys withdrew ahead of that tourney.

Valspar and Cognizant are in bad parts of the schedule but I’m very down for one of those disappearing.


Rocket Classic, 3M, Canadian Open, and John Deere all stink. Bad courses at bad parts of the schedule.


I really like Waialae, and it stinks to see it go away. But it generally is about the 18th or 19th highest ranked field per year on the PGA Tour out of about 32 non-opposites field regular season events.

It’s one of the lowest ranked fields in the first 4 months of every year and competes against football season in a non-major media market.

The PGA Tour needs to massive re-do the schedule because it just doesn’t make sense the way things are right now. Too many signature events to start the year. Not enough major media markets.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
68396 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

The rest of it:
quote:

PGA Tour Reserves: To combat competition from rival leagues, the PGA Tour has utilized its own financial reserves to increase purse sizes for "Signature Events," which often reach $20 million or more.

Thank you for making my point for me.
Posted by Mr. Blutarski
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Oct 2012
1948 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:03 pm to
I didn't make your point. The truth is in the top point, moron. The sponsors pay the purses and the tv production costs.
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3742 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:11 pm to
Sucks for fans

Glad we had the great disruptor, LIV, to make golf less competitive for 5 years, funnel Saudi money to players, and make the product worse after they’re gone
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18872 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:20 pm to
CEO doesn’t seem too upset about it
quote:

LIV did the professional golf world a favor in a lot of ways

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This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
45984 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:32 pm to
It did the players a lot of favors. It did not do the fans a lot of favors. Most of us care more about the fans.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111389 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:22 pm to
Burn someone’s house down

Home owner builds new nicer house

Brag to homeowner you helped them get a nice house
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
59072 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:30 pm to
Nothing good came out of LIV.

It completely divided the sport and made televised golf a lesser product.
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18872 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:36 pm to
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Then the PGA Tour becomes an official partner with Front Office Sports. They’re making it obvious


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Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111389 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:42 pm to
Dude. LIv forced a media outlet to take down an interview, cut out what their ceo said, and repost it

The”corrupt media” shite is ridiculous to still be said by LIV bots
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 3:43 pm
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
18872 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:50 pm to
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The”corrupt media” shite is ridiculous to still be said by LIV bots


While the PGA Tour literally announces a partnership with another media outlet. It’s obvious what is happening but keep talking about “LIV bots”
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111389 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 3:52 pm to
Show us once where the pga tour forced a media outlet to cut an interview from their website, doctor it, and repost it

That’s indefensible yet here you are It’s also fricking retarded because the interview was already public
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 3:53 pm
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