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Super Fast Greens
Posted on 10/7/20 at 8:18 am
Posted on 10/7/20 at 8:18 am
A local course I have played routinely over the last 4 or 5 years has started mowing their greens shorter than usual. The greens are generally not flat, but not too crazy on the hill. Someone said they're measuring 13 on the stimpmeter. I generally hit low 80s including a few rounds where I actually hit 80 at this course before lowering the mower deck. I cannot seem to get below 90 as of late at this course lately and it is all putting and some getting the ball to stick on the approach shot. If you are more than 8 feet away from the hole, the ball is rolling and sometimes won't even stop until it's 8 feet or more down the hill.
Is it just good ole fashion mechanics or are there any tricks that you guys use on fast greens? This course and another I play are really fast, and the other 5 or 6 courses I play are more "normal" and easier to control line and speed.
Is it just good ole fashion mechanics or are there any tricks that you guys use on fast greens? This course and another I play are really fast, and the other 5 or 6 courses I play are more "normal" and easier to control line and speed.
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Posted on 10/7/20 at 8:31 am to WhiskeyThrottle
The greens are fast AND the ball isn’t sticking on approach shots?
Club down and let it jump up is about your only option.
As far as putting, as long as they are fast and true, just pick a line and get the ball rolling. Find the high point of the arc and putt it to that spot. Trust the roll out.
Club down and let it jump up is about your only option.
As far as putting, as long as they are fast and true, just pick a line and get the ball rolling. Find the high point of the arc and putt it to that spot. Trust the roll out.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 8:46 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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tricks that you guys use on fast greens
Not really a trick, but stay below the hole. Adjust your target so you leave yourself an uphill putt. No matter how fast a green is, it's not fast uphill
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ball is rolling and sometimes won't even stop until it's 8 feet or more down the hill.
some of this can get a little gimmicky for my liking. If you're hitting a putt that gets to the hole then turns around and rolls back down a hill thats ridiculous. If you're leaving yourself ulta fast down hillers then thats on the player
where are you talking about?
Posted on 10/7/20 at 9:46 am to icegator337
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some of this can get a little gimmicky for my liking. If you're hitting a putt that gets to the hole then turns around and rolls back down a hill thats ridiculous. If you're leaving yourself ulta fast down hillers then thats on the player
+1
Posted on 10/7/20 at 9:50 am to icegator337
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can get a little gimmicky for my liking
One weekend at my club they placed a pin literally on the slope that divides the upper from the lower shelf.
I asked the superintendent why. He said it was a new kid setting the pins who new nothing about golf.
I played with a +2 whose first putt was 8 feet and so was his second. He turned to me
And said, “8 feet for birdie, 10 feet for par.”
Posted on 10/7/20 at 9:53 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I putt the ball to a spot that is determined by the speed and break of the green. My home course is usually about a 9 on the stimpmeter, so:
On a straight putt that’s 20% faster, I aim for a spot that’s only 80% of the distance to the hole. If the putt breaks left or right, I adjust accordingly. So I figure all this out before the strike, pick the spot, and forget about the actual hole location.
This strategy works not only for faster/slower greens, but also uphill/downhill putts.
On a straight putt that’s 20% faster, I aim for a spot that’s only 80% of the distance to the hole. If the putt breaks left or right, I adjust accordingly. So I figure all this out before the strike, pick the spot, and forget about the actual hole location.
This strategy works not only for faster/slower greens, but also uphill/downhill putts.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:13 am to icegator337
I'd be lying if I were saying that some of it isn't my fault. It's not to the degree that you're saying but there was one hole that I went past the hole, and it started coming back but stopped in a divot someone didn't fix. If that divot wasn't there, it may have landed a foot from the hole coming back to me. So they are that fast at times, but they put the pin in areas you can get it to stop even on mild downhills. . . very very mild downhills.
They're also placing the pin in difficult places. For example one par 3 has a sand trap short of the green. The green slopes down towards the front of the green. It's far enough that a putt will land in sand if you do blow a putt, but from 165 out, you have about a 10-15 yard sweet spot and I'm not always that accurate from that distance out. There's simply no margin of error on a lot of holes.
I'm not gonna lie, I really think the greens are simply cut too short to the point you're saying is gimmicky (I think). Maybe just a smidge higher would make the course still challenging but maybe a little more forgiving/friendly. Or maybe putting the hole in a place that you're not punished for not being a marksman. Probably complaining a bit at this point though so I'll quit being a little bitch.
I'm mostly curious what you guys do when you're uphill from a putt that just absolutely will not stop once it gets rolling which logically means you just have to hit the hole or deal with an uphill putt on your next putt.
They're also placing the pin in difficult places. For example one par 3 has a sand trap short of the green. The green slopes down towards the front of the green. It's far enough that a putt will land in sand if you do blow a putt, but from 165 out, you have about a 10-15 yard sweet spot and I'm not always that accurate from that distance out. There's simply no margin of error on a lot of holes.
I'm not gonna lie, I really think the greens are simply cut too short to the point you're saying is gimmicky (I think). Maybe just a smidge higher would make the course still challenging but maybe a little more forgiving/friendly. Or maybe putting the hole in a place that you're not punished for not being a marksman. Probably complaining a bit at this point though so I'll quit being a little bitch.
I'm mostly curious what you guys do when you're uphill from a putt that just absolutely will not stop once it gets rolling which logically means you just have to hit the hole or deal with an uphill putt on your next putt.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 10:16 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Hit it off the toe of your putter with soft hands
Posted on 10/7/20 at 11:31 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Played mystic creek up in el dorado yesterday and had the greens running faster than I thought possible. Played it many times before and they are always slick, but this was a huge difference. They were rolling like crazy. Not a fun day on the greens for me. They were pure as could be, but just so so quick. Hard to adjust to for me.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 11:59 am to CoachChappy
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The greens are fast AND the ball isn’t sticking on approach shots?
The ground in my area is virtually all clay or rock base. They aerate and broadcast sand routinely, but the sand just doesn't materialize in softer greens. So yes, the greens are hard pack and they're mowing the grass short making them fast.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:23 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I don’t recommend this as a long term solution...but if you are in a round and can’t get a good grasp on the speed with everything blowing by the hole or you have fast greens and big down hill putt.....I will use the same stroke I feel is needed but putt the ball off center of the putter face towards the toe of the putter. This lets me focus more on the line rather than worrying about speed and ball blowing past the hole.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:37 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I'm curious as to whether your greens are bent or Bermuda. If they're Bermuda it makes no sense to mow at that height heading into the winter.
If they're bent, then management is not very worried about player satisfaction. Fast is good, super slick is ridiculous, especially if the greens have much contour.
If they're bent, then management is not very worried about player satisfaction. Fast is good, super slick is ridiculous, especially if the greens have much contour.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 1:11 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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I generally hit low 80s including a few rounds where I actually hit 80
Just a question... Do you go golfing, or do you play golf? Inquiring minds would like to know.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 4:20 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Only tricks I know are play more break on fast greens. They ALWAYS break more when they are faster. For a gimmick use a heavier putter. It seems illogical to use a heavier putter, but it is the suggested method.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 4:21 pm to nobigdeal69
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Just a question... Do you go golfing, or do you play golf? Inquiring minds would like to know.
Swimmers go swimming, cyclist go cycling, golfers do not go golfing. We just go play golf.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:28 pm to CoachChappy
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As far as putting, as long as they are fast and true, just pick a line and get the ball rolling. Find the high point of the arc and putt it to that spot. Trust the roll out.
Good advice here. At OCC, the greens are ALWAYS super fast. I've learned over many years that you have to basically pick a spot short of the hole to aim for as if your speed was aimed at getting it to that spot, then letting the putt roll out the rest of the way. You have to putt like you are trying to advance the ball to about halfway there or 3/4 way there (depending on distance and uphill/downhill etc) and trust that the rollout will take your ball the rest of the way.
On a lot of the really downhill putts, don't expect to make a lot of them. Just "get it started"--- barely tap it and let it roll towards the hole. Try to leave yourself an uphill 1-2 footer.
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