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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:56 am to CFDoc
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Pretty accurate. The new formulas are pretty good at sizing up a particular event against a global metric.
Just a question.
On LIV, it seems that Smith, DJ and Neiman are the best in the field by a lot.
So if they were to continue to rotate LIV wins between themselves.
Would that artificially inflate their numbers ?
Does the new rating system take into account the lesser players in the field that have no real chance of winning ?
Right now Kopeka and Chambo seem to be damage goods physically . Maybe they will return to a high level, but who know.
* I always tried to explain to Mingo that LIV has a right to exist. My points were that LIV should stand on its own and forget Norman's vendetta against the Tour.
* If LIV would do that, I'd say welcome to golf.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:57 am to The Pirate King
I wonder if LIV is planning to have a lot of their events in 2023 be co-sanctioned by this little-known tour. If so, that would be the path to having their players gain OGWR points for most of their events.
If successful, this would be a major step in ensuring LIV players compete in the Majors. Obviously, the organizations that run the major tournaments can do whatever they want, but it will be hard to ban players and paint them as breakaway rebels in the "Saudi" league whenever some of them are able to maintain their place in the top 20 or 30 of the world rankings.
If successful, this would be a major step in ensuring LIV players compete in the Majors. Obviously, the organizations that run the major tournaments can do whatever they want, but it will be hard to ban players and paint them as breakaway rebels in the "Saudi" league whenever some of them are able to maintain their place in the top 20 or 30 of the world rankings.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:58 am to RedHawk
It kind of feels like when Michael Scott declared bankruptcy in the office.
Saying you’re getting the points, doesn’t necessarily mean you get them. The OWGR still has to approve it.
Saying you’re getting the points, doesn’t necessarily mean you get them. The OWGR still has to approve it.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:12 pm to Eat Your Crow
As long as it's apples to apples I'm good with it.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:14 pm to The Pirate King
LINK
Announcement directly from the MENA tour.
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The MENA (Middle East and North Africa) Tour today announced a strategic alliance which will result in LIV Golf Invitational events becoming part of and sanctioned by the MENA Tour, a Dubai-based golf tour which has been recognized by the Official World Golf Rankings (OWGR) since 2016. The alliance will boost the MENA Tour’s development programs and immediately qualify LIV Golf for OWGR points, starting with the LIV Golf Thailand event at Stonehill this week.
Launched in 2011, the MENA Tour delivers 54-hole events primarily across the Middle East, North Africa and Asia, and currently provides a pathway for players into the Asian Tour and Asian Development Tour.
Announcement directly from the MENA tour.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:21 pm to The Pirate King
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Launched in 2011, the MENA Tour delivers 54-hole events primarily across the Middle East, North Africa and Asia
LIV has them by the balls now if OWGR tries to deny them after all the “muh 54 holes” nonsense
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:39 pm to The Pirate King
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The MENA (Middle East and North Africa) Tour today announced a strategic alliance which will result in LIV Golf Invitational events becoming part of and sanctioned by the MENA Tour
I wonder if this only applies to their next 2 events which are located in Asia/Middle East. Maybe it’s just a naming thing, but it makes me think this wouldn’t apply to events in US/Europe.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:40 pm to bopper50
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Would that artificially inflate their numbers ?
Not so much in the way you’re describing.
So I actually got bored enough to read the OWGR press releases and formula changes. Basically, other tours (not LIV) have been bitching for a while that only the pga tour was getting any real points. So even winning a DP tour event didn’t do much of anything for helping a players status.
That old system had the exact problem of what you’re describing where the same group of pga tour players could just keep propping themselves up and even if you went to the DP tour, shot 30 under on a 76.2 rated golf course, you wouldn’t get jack shite.
So what OWGR has done is instituted a ‘golf is golf’ type metric into the formula. The same way strokes gained has said, hitting it to 4 ft from 150 yards every time is fantastic regardless of the event. Winning an OWGR sanctioned event is winning an event regardless.
So to your point, if cam smith wins every LIV event from here on out, his win will get compared against not just the LIV field, but also all other OWGR fields on a more ‘golf is golf’ type metric.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:45 pm to bopper50
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On LIV, it seems that Smith, DJ and Neiman are the best in the field by a lot.
So if they were to continue to rotate LIV wins between themselves. Would that artificially inflate their numbers ?
I think they will be pretty far from PGA Tour events in terms of OWGR pts to the winner just based on size of field.
Just estimating, I think a win on LIV would be somewhere around 10-15pts so about the same as a top 5-10 finish on most PGA tournaments.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 2:26 pm to CFDoc
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So what OWGR has done is instituted a ‘golf is golf’ type metric into the formula.
Good information thanks.
I wonder how the new " Market ability " that the Tour is implementing will factor in.
A lot can change for the LIV players if the ratings don't pick up.
There was a guy on GolfWrx that was saying that the past champions at the Masters are not in favor of adding LIV Players.
It will be very interesting when the invitations are made public.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 2:44 pm to The Pirate King
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Announcement directly from the MENA tour.
Oh well as long as its on their website. Must be legit.
Let's see what other outlets are reporting
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Source familiar with the workings of the OWGR panel told @GolfDigest it’s unlikely OWGR will award points for this week’s LIV event, saying that an alliance with another tour doesn’t initiate automatic inclusion of LIV Golf in the World Ranking,
Posted on 10/5/22 at 2:56 pm to LMfan
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Source familiar with the workings of the OWGR panel told @GolfDigest it’s unlikely OWGR will award points for this week’s LIV event, saying that an alliance with another tour doesn’t initiate automatic inclusion of LIV Golf in the World Ranking,
I truly believe that all of this would have gone way smoother if Norman wasn't involved.
The Tour and the Governing bodies may have been more reciptive.
Still believe that LIV will have to move to 72 holes or the PGA Players will balk.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:00 pm to Tyga Woods
I haven't lost a minutes sleep.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:11 pm to COTiger
This has been an enjoyable discussion.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:18 pm to lsufb1912
quote:Yes?
Paging lsupride
This is the equivalent of your neighbor saying
“I now declare myself owner of the Mona Lisa
quote:And then The Louvre telling him to stop smoking crack
Source familiar with the workings of the OWGR panel told @GolfDigest it’s unlikely OWGR will award points for this week’s LIV event, saying that an alliance with another tour doesn’t initiate automatic inclusion of LIV Golf in the World Ranking,
Posted on 10/5/22 at 6:42 pm to LMfan
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Oh well as long as its on their website. Must be legit. Let's see what other outlets are reporting
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Source familiar with the workings of the OWGR panel told @GolfDigest it’s unlikely OWGR will award points for this week’s LIV event, saying that an alliance with another tour doesn’t initiate automatic inclusion of LIV Golf in the World Ranking,
It’s being called an “alliance”, but LIV Golf’s event will be a MENA tour event. Read the whole article and not just the first line.
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The final field for LIV Golf Thailand, the opening event of the 2022/23 MENA Tour season, will be submitted to OWGR by the MENA Tour ahead of play commencing on Friday when the final field rating and winners’ points are expected to be confirmed. As a result of the alliance, all LIV Golf players have joined the MENA Tour.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:22 pm to The Pirate King
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As a result of the alliance, all LIV Golf players have joined the MENA Tour.
The MENA Tour is a golf tour in the Middle East and North Africa. It was founded in 2011 by the Dubai-based Shaikh Maktoum Golf Foundation. It was previous affiliated to The R&A and the Arab Golf Federation. The previous iteration of the tour was open to both professionals and amateurs.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:44 pm to COTiger
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I haven't lost a minutes sleep.
Congratulations on getting someone banned from a message board. I’m sure you’re proud.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 7:46 pm to The Pirate King
quote:Is it though, when the only players are from LIV?
LIV Golf’s event will be a MENA tour event
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