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re: Liv and PGA to merge
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:49 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:49 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I agree with a lot of this outside of the Greg Norman part. You couldn't be any farther off. Of anybody involved in this entire ordeal, he will feel the most vindicated. What he has pushed for for 30 years is now happening and he was the driving force. Also, just from a money perspective, do you think he was CEO of LIV for free? His pocket is loaded.
How do you figure? He wanted the PGA Tour and all of the people who ran it out of the professional golf business as punishment for holding his career back. Not only is the PGA Tour still in business but it is propped up with millions of dollars from his business partners, and the people he wanted out of professional golf will now occupy a majority of the new governing board, with several other seats occupied by Saudis. I haven't seen any reports putting him on that board.
Sure, he got his money and the players will get the world tour he wanted for himself, but he won't get his revenge, which is all he really wanted.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:51 am to lsupride87
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You said Jay should have played ball with LIv from the beginning
I said Jay should have listened to the players and paid them more in the beginning and LIV wouldn’t have had a chance to exist. I even posted an article about the PGA attorney laughing at the players when they approached with a deal where they could have some ownership in some events. Get your facts straight.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:52 am to lsupride87
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Will we agree this is a big win for the tour? Or no?
Look at the reaction by PGA players and LIV golfers and you tell me who won.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:54 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Look at the reaction by PGA players and LIV golfers and you tell me who won.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:56 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:I said the Tour, not the players itself
Look at the reaction by PGA players and LIV golfers and you tell me who won
Jay and Tour leaders and management are pigs in mud right now. The players that were left in the dark, frick yeh they are pissed
Us the fans? We never get paid either way, so who gives a frick as long as brooks and others are back playing on real events again.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:57 am to lsupride87
quote:You. You gave lots of fricks about other issues regarding this based on your post history.
who gives a frick as long as brooks and others are back playing on real events again.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:57 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Look at the reaction by PGA players and LIV golfers and you tell me who won.
The LIV players and the PGA Tour are the winners.
The PGA Tour players and LIV Golf are the losers.
The LIV players keep their money and the tour keeps its governance. The PGA players miss out on the big bucks and the LIV tournaments with the shoddy sponsorship will probably be a majority of the events going by the wayside.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:59 am to bstaceyau19
quote:Do they? I know Jay is the head but who really owns the tour at this point?
the tour keeps its governance.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:59 am to BBONDS25
quote:And instead, jay gets billions injected into him and now has unlimited money behind him. You can’t act like Jay isn’t a winner here. He has blood money coming out of every orrifice now
I said Jay should have listened to the players and paid them more in the beginning and LIV wouldn’t have had a chance to exist. I even posted an article about the PGA attorney laughing at the players when they approached with a deal where they could have some ownership in some events. Get your facts straight.
The only losers, assuming the liv players fines aren’t excessive, are the PGA top players who didn’t jump to LIv and Greg Norman
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:59 am to bstaceyau19
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The LIV players and the PGA Tour are the winners.
The PGA Tour players and LIV Golf are the losers.
I would say that now, but the PGA players will be winners in the long run as their purses will probably double in 5 years. The only loser is LIV IMO.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:59 am to bstaceyau19
quote:This is correct, if we assume the LIv golfers fines will be somewhat minimal (which they likely will be)
The LIV players and the PGA Tour are the winners. The PGA Tour players and LIV Golf are the losers.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:01 am to RedHawk
Saudis don’t lose here at all. Not sure why anyone would think they. They’re now a heavy investor in the PGA and get to recoup a ton of money through them. Not that they need it. But they got their hands so deep into golf now. More than they could have imagined.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:01 am to ell_13
quote:I would imagine the Saudi’s want the pga tour product over the liv product going forward
Do they? I know Jay is the head but who really owns the tour at this point?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:01 am to ell_13
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Do they? I know Jay is the head but who really owns the tour at this point?
PGA Tour gets most of the board seats under the new governance. The Saudi guys getting on the board are money people, not golf people. Just like at LIV, they will let the golf people run golf.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:02 am to ell_13
quote:He didn’t say that. He said LIv golf loses, and he is right
Saudis don’t lose here at all
LIV golf sucked, and wasn’t going to work. Hence why the Saudi’s were willing to strike this deal. If LIv golf showed true promise, they would have told Jay to go pound sand
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:03 am to bstaceyau19
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LIV Golf are the losers.
quote:LIV Golf is not the second rate tournaments they put on. LIV is the PIF which now has a substantial interest in the highest level of golf world wide. It is the biggest of winners here.
LIV tournaments with the shoddy sponsorship will probably be a majority of the events going by the wayside
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:04 am to RedHawk
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I would say that now, but the PGA players will be winners in the long run as their purses will probably double in 5 years
You are 100% correct, but try explaining that to them now. It will go in one ear and right out the other.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:04 am to WDE24
Do you think going forward, the new tour will look like LIv or the PGA? Which structure, sponsors, courses, etc will they maintain the most? Which management will they retain the most?
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:05 am to lsupride87
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LIV golf sucked, and wasn’t going to work. Hence why the Saudi’s were willing to strike this deal. If LIv golf showed true promise, they would have told Jay to go pound sand
Kind of where I'm at too. If LIV showed any kind of promise at all, I doubt they strike this deal so quickly.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:05 am to lsupride87
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You don’t buy a company and give them voting majority interest, dumbfrick
You think the "voting majority" is going to vote against the money? Just put the shovel down and quit digging.
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