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re: Is this a hole in one?
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:30 pm to BallChamp00
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:30 pm to BallChamp00
The embedded ball rule doesn’t apply to a green where you can mark, repair, replace.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 10:46 pm
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Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:32 pm to makersmark1
quote:They changed this rule in 2020 when they started to allow the flag in for putts. It’s a made putt even if it’s leaning against the flag and not in the bottom. Know the rules before you spout “rule is a rule”
More commonly, sometimes the golf ball is leaning against the flag and the side of the hole. If it is not below the ground level completely, gently remove flagstick and it will fall. The rule is the rule. Don’t just walk up and grab it unless it is below the ground.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:57 pm to ell_13
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Know the rules before you spout “rule is a rule”
Him and Bopper think being old is some license to talk out of your arse.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 12:33 am to ell_13
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The embedded ball rule doesn’t apply to a green where you can mark, repair, replace.
It’s literally word for word in the rule book. And you just told someone to know the rules before posting. You can’t be more wrong here.
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When a ball is embedded in the side of the hole, and all of the ball is not below the surface of the putting green, the ball is not holed.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 12:35 am to ell_13
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They changed this rule in 2020 when they started to allow the flag in for putts. It’s a made putt even if it’s leaning against the flag and not in the bottom. Know the rules before you spout “rule is a rule”
You do not know the rule of embedded ball in a hole so why tell someone to know the rule?
Posted on 7/24/22 at 12:37 am to BallChamp00
Ell I have a serious question.
Do you ever get tired of just trying to carry out the wrong answer even after being proven it’s wrong? It seems to happen a lot with you. You are wrong more than the average next coach guy.
Do you ever get tired of just trying to carry out the wrong answer even after being proven it’s wrong? It seems to happen a lot with you. You are wrong more than the average next coach guy.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 5:50 am to BallChamp00
The embedded ball rule still has nothing to do with the “holed ball” definition. They are two separate things. The embedded ball rule is only for through the green circumstances. What you are referring to is the holed ball rule which says the whole ball has to be below the surface of the green unless it’s against the flag to be considered holed. It doesn’t mention anything about embedded. Second, the rules of golf allow you to mark, lift and replace your ball on the green AND repair the damage made by the ball. In this instance, the correct replacement spot is literally 90% over the hole. Once the hole is legally repaired, there is no replacement on the green where the ball would not move by natural forces 10/10 times. The ball is in the hole without penalty or stroke. It’s a 1.
Now, if the ball has not breached the side to the point where a replacement would keep it on the lip, then it’s not a 1 and it must be putted.
ETA: the lifted and replaced portion also allows for this as it calls for the ball to be “replaced” first in order for the rule to come into effect. The balls replacement would be in the hole after repair.
Now, if the ball has not breached the side to the point where a replacement would keep it on the lip, then it’s not a 1 and it must be putted.
ETA: the lifted and replaced portion also allows for this as it calls for the ball to be “replaced” first in order for the rule to come into effect. The balls replacement would be in the hole after repair.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 6:03 am
Posted on 7/24/22 at 5:53 am to ell_13
I stand corrected.
I’m still not sure about the picture, but it’s a great shot.
What I don’t understand is how is the last part of this rule 13.2.C even possible?
Ball Resting Against Flagstick in Hole
If a player’s ball comes to rest against the flagstick left in the hole:
If any part of the ball is in the hole below the surface of the putting green, the ball is treated as holed even if the entire ball is not below the surface.
If no part of the ball is in the hole below the surface of the putting green:
The ball is not holed and must be played as it lies.
If the flagstick is removed and the ball moves (whether it falls into the hole or moves away from the hole), there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced on the lip of the hole (see Rule 14.2)
I’m still not sure about the picture, but it’s a great shot.
What I don’t understand is how is the last part of this rule 13.2.C even possible?
Ball Resting Against Flagstick in Hole
If a player’s ball comes to rest against the flagstick left in the hole:
If any part of the ball is in the hole below the surface of the putting green, the ball is treated as holed even if the entire ball is not below the surface.
If no part of the ball is in the hole below the surface of the putting green:
The ball is not holed and must be played as it lies.
If the flagstick is removed and the ball moves (whether it falls into the hole or moves away from the hole), there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced on the lip of the hole (see Rule 14.2)
Posted on 7/24/22 at 5:57 am to makersmark1
Think of a flag that is leaning almost against the side of the cup. The ball is resting against it but sitting on the green. A golfer can’t claim the ball is holed in that instance. The rule is meant to allow for gravity to do its thing as if the flag wasn’t there.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:13 am to ell_13
It has to be extremely rare.
I doubt I ever see this, and if I do I probably would just say “great shot!”
I don’t play any meaningful golf. I enjoy hitting an occasional good shot. I’m glad to get updated on this rule. For whatever reason, I ve not seen it come up on the course since the rules were updated. Only remembered an obscure video someone sent me prior to the update.
Now I’m ready for the next time this occurs. If I remember this.
I doubt I ever see this, and if I do I probably would just say “great shot!”
I don’t play any meaningful golf. I enjoy hitting an occasional good shot. I’m glad to get updated on this rule. For whatever reason, I ve not seen it come up on the course since the rules were updated. Only remembered an obscure video someone sent me prior to the update.
Now I’m ready for the next time this occurs. If I remember this.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:15 am to makersmark1
Posted on 7/24/22 at 6:26 am to BallChamp00
quote:This rule doesn’t exist. It’s from the interpretation section and not in any actual rule. It assumes that there is a place above the ball on the green where the replacement can take place once the ground is repaired.
the rule of embedded ball in a hole
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:37 am to ell_13
Ell, you do not think a ball could be replaced on that green (no closer to the hole) without rolling into the cup? As soon as it's lifted it cannot be replaced into the cup (which would be closer to the hole).
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:17 am to LSUfan4444
A replacement in the correct spot would have it fall in the hole by natural causes.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 9:01 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Him and Bopper think being old is some license to talk out of your arse.
Are you mentally ill ?
Posted on 7/24/22 at 9:06 am to ell_13
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Think of a flag that is leaning almost against the side of the cup.
This is one on my pet peeves about some courses maintenance.
Cut the cup correctly and invest in flag poles that dont bend and lean.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 9:30 am to ell_13
Are you saying (A)that the ball cannot be placed further from the hole without rolling into the cup on its on OR (B) if the ball was replaced at the exact spot it rest it would go in on its on.
If the ball does not rest on its original spot you replace it where it will rest, no closer to the hole.?.?
I’m genuinely confused by the interpretation (either mine or
Yours, I have no clue)
If the ball does not rest on its original spot you replace it where it will rest, no closer to the hole.?.?
I’m genuinely confused by the interpretation (either mine or
Yours, I have no clue)
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e. What to Do If Replaced Ball Does Not Stay on Original Spot If you try to replace your ball but it does not stay on its original spot, you must try a second time. If your ball again does not stay on that spot, you must replace the ball by placing it on the nearest spot where it will stay at rest, but with these limits depending on where the original spot is located: The spot must not be nearer the hole.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 9:51 am to LSUfan4444
I’m saying the ball can’t even be replaced on the green itself. There’s no closer to the hole. It’s in the hole. On the green there is a natural forces clause prior to the completion of lift and replace. If something like wind moves the ball even when it is marked, the new position of the ball is where it is played from as long as the ball wasn’t lifted first. This is part of the rule changes that happened in 2020 as well.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 10:38 am to Tiger1242
Yes it’s a 1. The picture shows the ball resting against the flag. Move the flag, it drops. There’s no requirement to move the ball prior to removing the flag.
I’ve got 9, and I didn’t count one that went in on the fly and bounced out. I’d SO love to be able to and get out of single digits, but it doesn’t.
I’ve got 9, and I didn’t count one that went in on the fly and bounced out. I’d SO love to be able to and get out of single digits, but it doesn’t.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 10:41 am to llfshoals
Who the fuk has 9 holes in one? Are you playing putt putt? Wtf
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