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re: Incremental growth
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:57 pm to zippyputt
Posted on 6/2/26 at 10:57 pm to zippyputt
I wasn't so much arguing to not practice the short game, it was more so that trying to get too cute with the short game can be costly. And, yes, 3 putts happen, but the argument for getting the ball on the green first and foremost is because of how difficult it is to one putt. A 20 handicap is usually below 50% make rate on putts from outside 5 feet. So, even if they pull off a 1/10 shot from off the green to get a chance, they're probably not making the putt. The risk may not be worth the reward.
So, yes, if you have time, work on the short game. However, if you want to break 90 without a lot of time to work on your game, make the game a lot easier on you by hitting simple shots around the green to make sure your next shot is a putt.
Actually, this video has helped me lately. I'm just always thinking what shot will keep the ball as close to the ground as possible and keep my swing speed down.
So, yes, if you have time, work on the short game. However, if you want to break 90 without a lot of time to work on your game, make the game a lot easier on you by hitting simple shots around the green to make sure your next shot is a putt.
Actually, this video has helped me lately. I'm just always thinking what shot will keep the ball as close to the ground as possible and keep my swing speed down.
This post was edited on 6/2/26 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:54 am to BRsundog
Shot 90 from the blues at Santa yesterday. Played so much better, spent a few days tracking shots like yall said and guess what; they all fade right!
Started aiming left of green and fading it in. Did it always go right? Nope, but the majority did so that’s all I’m doing now. Aiming left, fading right. Done with trying draws.
Hole 18 I needed a bird ti break 90. Hit a horrible drive pop up. Said f it, crushed a hybrid knowing it’s not my best club and can be slicey. Ended up staying in but right behind this little tree they have there on the pond. Next shot over tiny tree to green, about 110 yards. Miffed the birdie putt way short but made the 5 footer for par: 90.
So close to 80s.
Started aiming left of green and fading it in. Did it always go right? Nope, but the majority did so that’s all I’m doing now. Aiming left, fading right. Done with trying draws.
Hole 18 I needed a bird ti break 90. Hit a horrible drive pop up. Said f it, crushed a hybrid knowing it’s not my best club and can be slicey. Ended up staying in but right behind this little tree they have there on the pond. Next shot over tiny tree to green, about 110 yards. Miffed the birdie putt way short but made the 5 footer for par: 90.
So close to 80s.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 9:08 pm to BRsundog
Here’s my two cents.
The short answer is there may be literally nothing you can do to be able to shoot in the 80s.
Long answer…
I’ll start with an illustration.
No matter what, I’ll never be as good as Michael Jordan in basketball. I can pay for all the lessons I want. I can practice 1 million free throws I can spend hours learning to dribble, etc. but my skill level will never be what his is. I can get better, but ... at some point, I reach my maximum athletic ability.
In the end, I think for most golfers, the maximum skill level is probably about bogey golf.
I’ve been playing golf seriously for 35 years. I shoot about 90 every time I play. Don’t get me wrong there’s times I flirt with 80. But I go through droughts where I’m closer to shooting 100 than I am shooting 90 even. I've parred the front side of a course once and the back side of a course once. I've shot in the 70's once. But on average? ... I shoot about 90.
If I look over the course of my life, I’ve probably spent almost a quarter million dollars on golf. This includes rounds, practicing on the range, equipment, and lessons. I’ve had a series of lessons from two separate professional golfers, one who played in the British Open. Just this week I hit over 1000 balls practicing for this weekend. Yet I played so bad this weekend that I stopped keeping score after the 10th hole.
No matter what I do, I can’t get better. I think I’m just at the maximum that my personal athletic ability will allow me to go. And honestly, I’m a pretty decent athlete. Maybe the average golfer can shoot a few strokes better than me. Not sure. But I’ve lost hope of ever getting better.
I suspect many people are about like me in regards to this game.
I hate playing bogie golf. It’s sorry golf and I find no pleasure in it anymore. None. I experience more OUTRAGE on the course than I do pleasure these days. But I hope the game has better things in store for you than it has had for me. But who knows? I've seend different stats saying that only 25% of golfers consistently break 90 to 40% being able to consitently break 85. But by any measurement I know of, if you can break 90 consistently, you're better than most people who play this game.
The short answer is there may be literally nothing you can do to be able to shoot in the 80s.
Long answer…
I’ll start with an illustration.
No matter what, I’ll never be as good as Michael Jordan in basketball. I can pay for all the lessons I want. I can practice 1 million free throws I can spend hours learning to dribble, etc. but my skill level will never be what his is. I can get better, but ... at some point, I reach my maximum athletic ability.
In the end, I think for most golfers, the maximum skill level is probably about bogey golf.
I’ve been playing golf seriously for 35 years. I shoot about 90 every time I play. Don’t get me wrong there’s times I flirt with 80. But I go through droughts where I’m closer to shooting 100 than I am shooting 90 even. I've parred the front side of a course once and the back side of a course once. I've shot in the 70's once. But on average? ... I shoot about 90.
If I look over the course of my life, I’ve probably spent almost a quarter million dollars on golf. This includes rounds, practicing on the range, equipment, and lessons. I’ve had a series of lessons from two separate professional golfers, one who played in the British Open. Just this week I hit over 1000 balls practicing for this weekend. Yet I played so bad this weekend that I stopped keeping score after the 10th hole.
No matter what I do, I can’t get better. I think I’m just at the maximum that my personal athletic ability will allow me to go. And honestly, I’m a pretty decent athlete. Maybe the average golfer can shoot a few strokes better than me. Not sure. But I’ve lost hope of ever getting better.
I suspect many people are about like me in regards to this game.
I hate playing bogie golf. It’s sorry golf and I find no pleasure in it anymore. None. I experience more OUTRAGE on the course than I do pleasure these days. But I hope the game has better things in store for you than it has had for me. But who knows? I've seend different stats saying that only 25% of golfers consistently break 90 to 40% being able to consitently break 85. But by any measurement I know of, if you can break 90 consistently, you're better than most people who play this game.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 9:38 pm to BRsundog
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How do I become an 80s, guy??
quote:I have taken this very journey. From a low 90s high 80s player to a consistent mid 70s to low 80s player. It was challenging and took time, but I eventually got there. Here is how;
What would you do??
Driving consistency. I cant stress this enough. If you can give yourself a shot at reaching the green in regulation, you have done your job off the tee.
I use a power fade to create this for my game. Aiming down the left side of hole and cutting it back to the fairway. I lose distance this way, but gain accuracy.
Next: Two putting. If you can limit the three putts, you will save strokes. Dont try to be a hero on every putt. Aim for a two foot circle around the hole and focus on the speed only. If you can get your ball going in the general vicinity of the hole with the right speed, you will be surprised at the results.
Bonus tip: Dont be afraid to putt from the rough. You will find that you have a better feel and gauge distance wise with your putter than you do your wedge or iron. You may get some jokes thrown at your, but those fade when you are barely missing the hole and your are tapping in for par instead of chilly dipping it or blading it over the green.
Those should get you into the 80s consistently
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:20 am to redfish99
Maybe it’s to early for math but how do you need 6 pars a round to get into the 80s
72+18=90 at all bogies
Seems like you would just need 1 par and the rest bogeys to break 90?
72+18=90 at all bogies
Seems like you would just need 1 par and the rest bogeys to break 90?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 6:16 pm to zippyputt
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Putting and chipping. Be able to get up and down from most misses around the green.
Strategy decisions. (Mainly to avoid big numbers or even a double bogey)
This and finding a consistent, repeatable tempo and eliminating tension in my swing.
I've essentially been playing golf my entire life. I just recently started consistently shooting in the 70s with some 72s and some low to mid-70s scores mixed in.
The only thing that changed is that I stopped trying to hit the number with the club that goes that distance. I've routinely been clubbing up and trying to repeat the same "smooth" tempo swing and have the ball go in the direction I want it to go rather than an exact distance I want it to go.
It's led to way more fairways hit, way more greens hit, and the misses have been much, much better and way more manageable.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 8:59 pm to 1putt
Ha ha. You should maybe stop playing, no joy in bogey golf guy. Lord. I feel you hit at the same time… 35 years and quarter of a million dollars? What the heck?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 8:42 am to AbuTheMonkey
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1. Getting really good off the tee
This and everything else will point you into further direction that you need to work on, but it starts here. If you are spraying it all over the course putting you into horrible approach shots or worse OB, that needs to be addressed first.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:41 pm to BRsundog
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35 years and quarter of a million dollars? What the heck?
That’s probably too high. I extrapolated what I’ve spent over the few years over my whole life. But, I spend more money now than I ever have and certainly couldn’t afford it when I was younger.
Probably more like 100k. But that’s still way too high for as bad as I am!
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