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re: Dechambeau is hitting it 360
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:06 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:06 am to Riseupfromtherubble
The strokes that seem to matter are the approach shot (distance to the pin) and putting accuracy. Guys that can drive the ball 300-320 accurately are getting closer to the pin than Bryson is even with a 40 yard advantage.
I was simply saying that he's focusing his efforts on a stroke that accounts for a relatively small potion of shots in a round. And his accuracy isn't all that impressive at that.
If he's a "numbers guy" like he says he is, then he'd realize that the margin of error gets smaller and smaller the further that ball flies. And if you can't pair accuracy with the distance, then the distance isn't all that helpful. Also, if you take 10 strokes with the driver in a round, and around 30 with irons and wedges, you stand to shave more strokes by focusing on irons and wedges. His iron and wedge game seems to be equal from his pre-bulked-up game. So yeah, I don't think he has made any gains in those areas.
I was simply saying that he's focusing his efforts on a stroke that accounts for a relatively small potion of shots in a round. And his accuracy isn't all that impressive at that.
If he's a "numbers guy" like he says he is, then he'd realize that the margin of error gets smaller and smaller the further that ball flies. And if you can't pair accuracy with the distance, then the distance isn't all that helpful. Also, if you take 10 strokes with the driver in a round, and around 30 with irons and wedges, you stand to shave more strokes by focusing on irons and wedges. His iron and wedge game seems to be equal from his pre-bulked-up game. So yeah, I don't think he has made any gains in those areas.
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:14 am to Strannix
I think he would’ve been hitting it almost as far at his old weight with his new swing. He got fat for no reason, really. He’s swinging out of his shoes now
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:29 am to Tyga Woods
If I could put on 60 lbs, lead the tour in driving and scoring average,I would do it.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:00 pm to Tyga Woods
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I think he would’ve been hitting it almost as far at his old weight with his new swing.
Probably not.
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He got fat for no reason, really.
You skinny ole gals make me laugh
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:03 pm to xtremecouture23
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If I could put on 60 lbs, lead the tour in driving and scoring average,I would do it.
Or, you could not have to worry about all of that and be built like Morikawa, Thomas, Rory, etc...and still be great.
Hell, even Finau isn't built like that, and he crushes the ball. I believe I heard on the broadcast, I think PGA on Sirius/XM, that the players would tell you Finau would take Bryson in a long drive competition.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:15 pm to RummelTiger
Finau has one career win. Bryson has 6. Bryson had 5 wins in his first 100 career starts. More than Fowler,Rose, Reed, Day, and Simpson had in theirs. Bryson was a pretty good dang golfer before he bulked up. He definitely isn’t playing worse golf since he did. He leads the tour in scoring average and driving distance. The only thing that could hurt him if he becomes injury prone. If he doesn’t he will continue to contend on the tour.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:36 pm to RummelTiger
I think Finau and Champ would take it in a long drive. Finau is close and takes a 3/4 swing. Both of those guys have more in reserves. Bryson is coming out of his shoes and maxing out his distance.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:39 pm to xtremecouture23
His distance wasn’t ever the problem. He’s been a mediocre wedge player at best his entire career and hitting it longer doesn’t change that. It’s fun to see guys hit it 350. He can barely hit it to 10 ft from 80 yards out. It does you no good to hit it that far if you can’t hit it close to the stick. Which he can’t.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:53 pm to RawDog7984
It definitely isn’t affecting his overall play. 16th in greens in regulation, 6th stroke gained putting, 16th greens in regulation, 1st driving distance, 1st stroke gained off tee, 8th tee to green, scrambling 14th. While he may not be like able he has always been a damn good golfer and is only getting better.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:59 pm to xtremecouture23
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Finau has one career win. Bryson has 6. Bryson had 5 wins in his first 100 career starts. More than Fowler,Rose, Reed, Day, and Simpson had in theirs. Bryson was a pretty good dang golfer before he bulked up. He definitely isn’t playing worse golf since he did. He leads the tour in scoring average and driving distance. The only thing that could hurt him if he becomes injury prone. If he doesn’t he will continue to contend on the tour.
My post wasn't debating wins, it was arguing that doing that much...adding that much weight...putting your body through that much change...is it really worth it?
Was it really worth it for him? We'll see...he seems to think so.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 3:01 pm to RummelTiger
I agree. Only time will tell if his body doesn’t break. It’ll be hard on his joints and back over the years. Eventually I think he will have to shed some lbs.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 4:23 am to RawDog7984
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Well, if doucheambeau really did love the the science and numbers of golf like he claims then he would look at morikawa. Doucheambeau has become so insecure about his beef with Brooks it’s embarrassing. Morikawa won by hitting a ridiculous amount of fairways and he was #1 in proximity to the flag and #1 in strokes gain putting.
Wow you mean players who lead the field in putting normally do well in the tournament???
I'll drop Bryson a note baw, I'm sure he had no idea.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 6:55 am to Strannix
I guess you have trouble reading. He was #1 in putting mainly because of his proximity to the flag which is iron play and wedge play. Something Bryson isn’t good at. At all. If you’re gonna try and troll at least learn to read first. Cheers!
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:08 am to RawDog7984
That isn't how Strokes Gained Putting works, fwiw. It has zero to do with proximity to the hole. Strokes Gained is a really good stat, the TV coverage and golf in general does a shite job of explain g what it actually means.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:01 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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That isn't how Strokes Gained Putting works, fwiw. It has zero to do with proximity to the hole.
Hes an idiot, it's a losing proposition to argue with the low IQ
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:11 pm to Strannix
Lol yes. Morikawa actually has struggled putting since on tour. He did have a phenomenal tournament putting. The reason he won that tournament was because of his iron and wedge play. He literally led the tournament in proximity to the pin routinely hitting the call 40 yards behind Bryson. Why Bryson doesn’t lead that considering how far he hits it? His wedge game sucks and he’s a mediocre iron player. Like mentioned before, which you obviously can’t read. The douche is a hell of a player but someone who’s obsessed with numbers and stats can’t seem to grasp his wedge game is hot fire dog Shiit.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:16 pm to Strannix
Since you can’t seem to read or grasp how things work either. Bryson is #1 this year in SG off the tee. #6 in SG putting. One would think with those stats you’d be the best golfer in the world. He’s 99th in SG on the approach and 128th SG around the green. Which means, he is a horrible iron player and absolutely horrible with a wedge in his hand. It does you no good to hit it that far when you’re a bonafide special needs kid with irons and wedges in your hand
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:31 pm to RawDog7984
He’s 16th in greens in regulations. Is Bryson a head case? Yes he is. Will adding that much weight affect his body long term? Most likely. We can argue about his wedge play all day long. Every pro golfer has weak parts of their game. What can’t be argued is that he is a hell of a golfer and has been winning since his junior days.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:42 pm to RawDog7984
I haven't dug into the deep stats for Bryson, but his SG approach being bad can be a product of him hitting bad wedges, but he could still be hitting it closer than the other players from further back or in the right spots.
SG is a comparative function to how the average would do from the spot you are in. He could be losing strokes on SGA but gaining real shots on the field. If that makes sense. I'm trying to avoid a dissertation in SG stats.
Either way, post covid, no one has played better, more consistently. Maybe CM after Sunday. But that's a small group of people who wouldn't take his post covid stats
SG is a comparative function to how the average would do from the spot you are in. He could be losing strokes on SGA but gaining real shots on the field. If that makes sense. I'm trying to avoid a dissertation in SG stats.
Either way, post covid, no one has played better, more consistently. Maybe CM after Sunday. But that's a small group of people who wouldn't take his post covid stats
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:57 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
I agree. I’m not sure why people get so defensive over Bryson. I think he’s probably top 6-8 golfers in the world. Probably playing the best this year although the true elite golfers haven’t played much. But, i felt like he was one of the best golfers in the world before his ridiculous long drive champion approach. His distance wasn’t ever an issue. When guys are hitting it closer than you are at 150 than you at 75 it’s a problem. Imo he’s working and improving on the wrong part of his game. That’s all I’ve said since this thread began. It does you no good to hit it that far if you can’t hit it close to the stick from 75 yards out
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