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re: WOW literally and figuratively Blizz is getting bad

Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:17 pm to
Posted by Greace
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:17 pm to
Fortnite isnt really a competitive shooter. I dont know it and Pubg are in a weird class of their own. I would call it more of an Arena shooter?
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:40 pm to
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I dont know it and Pubg are in a weird class of their own.


Yeah. It is called Battle Royale.

Get ready cause the market is about to be flooded with Battle Royale games.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 9:54 pm to
Explain Hearthstone and Overwatch
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 10:20 pm to
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Explain Hearthstone and Overwatch


Very financially successful games which are still inferior to other games in their current design spaces.

There are multiple digital card games better than HS. And multiple other team based shooters better than Overwtach.

You take the Blizzard name off those games and they hardly make a blip on the gaming radar.
You slap the Blizzard name and marketing power on one of the other games and all the sudden it's the big cheese.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 10:26 pm
Posted by Greace
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Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:07 pm to
Name the multiple digital card games better and the multiple team based shooters better.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/11/18 at 7:37 am to
Elder Scrolls Legends
Shadowverse

Both considered far superior games in terms of design and strategy to HS by almost all card game aficionados. I don't think I've ever heard one single card game pro or expert say HS is the best card game. They play it because it's popular and has the most visibility. I've played a ton of HS and ESL. ESL is chess to HS checkers. They lack the slick presentation and the Warcraft lore that people are attached to, but are fundamentally better games.

I'm not as familiar with the team based shooter genre but from what I gather Overwatch is just a clone of Team Fortress 2. Counter strike, despite being years old is still quite popular. Not sure why Blizzard should get such raving kudos for taking a format they had really nothing to do with and then just creating a copy of it. Overwatch is fine, but to pretend like it's somehow groundbreaking is not accurate imo.

Contrast that when they were creating games like WarCraft 2/3, StarCraft, Diablo 1/2, games that were defining genres their respective genres, not imitating them, something Blizzard has begun doing (Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, etc.)

Popularity is often a sign of quality but alone is not a good enough indicator, otherwise one would fall into the trap of thinking McDonalds must make the best hamburgers because they sell so many.
Posted by sgallo3
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Posted on 2/11/18 at 12:16 pm to
hearthstone is pay to win that kinda automatically disqualifies it from being a GREAT game for me

heroes of the storm isnt a very good moba. its like they took a moba and put it on very easy mode, lowering the skill gap between good and great players, which is where mobas generally thrive
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 2/11/18 at 2:36 pm to
All card games are pay to win at the their core. You have to have the cards for you to be able to play them. Mtg is considered the premier card game and it's extremely p2w. And thinking OW is just a clone of tf2 is asinine that's like saying basically all fps are the same.
Posted by 50_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 2/13/18 at 2:57 pm to
Canceled my sub after ~10 years. I rarely played after the whole legiondary and artifact grind bullshite.
Posted by SBvital
Member since Feb 2013
1954 posts
Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:16 pm to
I was and still am a fan of the artifact weapon aspect of legion.

Absolutely hate the legendary armor stuff.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:22 pm to
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FN will overtake OW, IMO.


That's laughable. Fortnite wont sniff the competitive scene, like most other BR games
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:39 pm to
Yeah I never saw that reply. Thats one of the most laughable things I have ever seen. You do realize what Blizzard is putting into its OWL to make it a competitive scene right. Survival shooters will never be as competitive as a regular FPS game. Too much RNG
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/13/18 at 10:03 pm to
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They've never made anything bad but, it's clear to me they aren't making the groundbreaking genre defining epic games they once did. The Blizzard of the late 90s and early 2000s is why the Blizzard brand is what it is. They've been in cruise control for awhile now though. Nothing they've done for awhile I find particularly great. Not bad or anything though.



Diablo 3 is the last game I played from them. Perhaps I just have a biased opinion because their games from my prominent gaming time were all so epically good. Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft, and WoW were all simply amazing titles.

Even their "bad" games/expansions were still pretty enjoyable.
Posted by DrSteveBrule
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:02 am to
Diablo 3 is the worst game blizzard has ever put out, and even I found pockets of enjoyment from it, but it's a joke of a game compared to path of exile.

There are games in every genre that I find better than each blizzard game. That's my preference. I understand blizzards biggest draw is accessibility. OW is the exception to me. It's in a class of it's own and all of its competition has pretty much failed. I don't consider CSGO competition, totally different game.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:05 am to
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That's laughable. Fortnite wont sniff the competitive scene, like most other BR games


Perhaps, but they did introduce a mode for more precise aiming (reduction/elimination of bloom). Some have speculated that it could lead to some form of competitive play.

The problem is the randomness of weaponry in the battle royale games. In Fortnite if you and I land at the same spot, and you get a revolver and I get a shotgun, then there's a good chance I win even if you're the better player. There's reasons why the really good ones are giving themselves challenges like "sniper only" or "crossbow only" or even "pistols only". They still win quite often too.

The lack of randomness in other games (like Overwatch) means more focus on skill. Fortnite does reward skill, as does PubG, but there's always the chance a lesser player lands near you with a lucky pull or unlucky pull for yourself in terms of weapons, and bang - the lesser player is still in.
Posted by DrSteveBrule
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:17 pm to
I don't see why games push so hard to be "competitive". For many of them, it seems like making a product that is fun to watch your favorite streamer on on twitch is good enough. It's easy advertising.

I have no doubt in my mind that PUBG would be in a better place right now as a game if it never made a push for a competitive scene.
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:40 am to
There is no other MMORPG that even comes close to WoW and it likely never will be. That genre of game is likely dead but somehow WoW has managed to succeed.

No other game company puts the polish on their games like Blizzard. The cutscenes, the music, the atmosphere.... it's all there and it's a work of art. Hell, I'd play their games for the cutscenes and music alone.

And Diablo 3 is still a very entertaining game. Not as good as Diablo 2, but still a very enjoyable game. I honestly think the biggest problem with Diablo 3 is that everything is account bound. There is no real social interaction like it was in Diablo 2 because of that. It's essentially a single player game that you must play online for some reason. If they allowed the traiding of items, it would create an economy and a social aspect to the game.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 10:45 am
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:12 am to
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There is no other MMORPG that even comes close to WoW


Elder scrolls is pretty good imo
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 2:58 pm to
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Elder scrolls is pretty good imo


It keeps the torch going but isn't the same. All MMOs are missing something.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 2/17/18 at 3:22 pm to
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Diablo 3 is the worst game blizzard has ever put out, and even I found pockets of enjoyment from it, but it's a joke of a game compared to path of exile.


Yep, good example. D3 vs PoE is the perfect example of what I'm talking about and an example of just how far Blizzard has slid.

it's also a great example because D3 sold a ridiculous amount of copies, despite being the worst game Blizzard ever made (not a terrible game, just by Blizz standards) and despite the fact there were other ARPG's on the market that put it to shame.

That's what I'm talking about when I refer to Blizzard's market power and the inertia of their past.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 5:55 pm
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