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Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:40 pm to Greace
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I dont know it and Pubg are in a weird class of their own.
Yeah. It is called Battle Royale.
Get ready cause the market is about to be flooded with Battle Royale games.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 9:54 pm to IAmReality
Explain Hearthstone and Overwatch
Posted on 2/10/18 at 10:20 pm to Pectus
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Explain Hearthstone and Overwatch
Very financially successful games which are still inferior to other games in their current design spaces.
There are multiple digital card games better than HS. And multiple other team based shooters better than Overwtach.
You take the Blizzard name off those games and they hardly make a blip on the gaming radar.
You slap the Blizzard name and marketing power on one of the other games and all the sudden it's the big cheese.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:07 pm to IAmReality
Name the multiple digital card games better and the multiple team based shooters better.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 7:37 am to Greace
Elder Scrolls Legends
Shadowverse
Both considered far superior games in terms of design and strategy to HS by almost all card game aficionados. I don't think I've ever heard one single card game pro or expert say HS is the best card game. They play it because it's popular and has the most visibility. I've played a ton of HS and ESL. ESL is chess to HS checkers. They lack the slick presentation and the Warcraft lore that people are attached to, but are fundamentally better games.
I'm not as familiar with the team based shooter genre but from what I gather Overwatch is just a clone of Team Fortress 2. Counter strike, despite being years old is still quite popular. Not sure why Blizzard should get such raving kudos for taking a format they had really nothing to do with and then just creating a copy of it. Overwatch is fine, but to pretend like it's somehow groundbreaking is not accurate imo.
Contrast that when they were creating games like WarCraft 2/3, StarCraft, Diablo 1/2, games that were defining genres their respective genres, not imitating them, something Blizzard has begun doing (Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, etc.)
Popularity is often a sign of quality but alone is not a good enough indicator, otherwise one would fall into the trap of thinking McDonalds must make the best hamburgers because they sell so many.
Shadowverse
Both considered far superior games in terms of design and strategy to HS by almost all card game aficionados. I don't think I've ever heard one single card game pro or expert say HS is the best card game. They play it because it's popular and has the most visibility. I've played a ton of HS and ESL. ESL is chess to HS checkers. They lack the slick presentation and the Warcraft lore that people are attached to, but are fundamentally better games.
I'm not as familiar with the team based shooter genre but from what I gather Overwatch is just a clone of Team Fortress 2. Counter strike, despite being years old is still quite popular. Not sure why Blizzard should get such raving kudos for taking a format they had really nothing to do with and then just creating a copy of it. Overwatch is fine, but to pretend like it's somehow groundbreaking is not accurate imo.
Contrast that when they were creating games like WarCraft 2/3, StarCraft, Diablo 1/2, games that were defining genres their respective genres, not imitating them, something Blizzard has begun doing (Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, etc.)
Popularity is often a sign of quality but alone is not a good enough indicator, otherwise one would fall into the trap of thinking McDonalds must make the best hamburgers because they sell so many.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 12:16 pm to IAmReality
hearthstone is pay to win that kinda automatically disqualifies it from being a GREAT game for me
heroes of the storm isnt a very good moba. its like they took a moba and put it on very easy mode, lowering the skill gap between good and great players, which is where mobas generally thrive
heroes of the storm isnt a very good moba. its like they took a moba and put it on very easy mode, lowering the skill gap between good and great players, which is where mobas generally thrive
Posted on 2/11/18 at 2:36 pm to sgallo3
All card games are pay to win at the their core. You have to have the cards for you to be able to play them. Mtg is considered the premier card game and it's extremely p2w. And thinking OW is just a clone of tf2 is asinine that's like saying basically all fps are the same.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 2:57 pm to DoUrden
Canceled my sub after ~10 years. I rarely played after the whole legiondary and artifact grind bullshite.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:16 pm to 50_Tiger
I was and still am a fan of the artifact weapon aspect of legion.
Absolutely hate the legendary armor stuff.
Absolutely hate the legendary armor stuff.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:22 pm to DoUrden
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FN will overtake OW, IMO.
That's laughable. Fortnite wont sniff the competitive scene, like most other BR games
Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:39 pm to bluebarracuda
Yeah I never saw that reply. Thats one of the most laughable things I have ever seen. You do realize what Blizzard is putting into its OWL to make it a competitive scene right. Survival shooters will never be as competitive as a regular FPS game. Too much RNG
Posted on 2/13/18 at 10:03 pm to IAmReality
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They've never made anything bad but, it's clear to me they aren't making the groundbreaking genre defining epic games they once did. The Blizzard of the late 90s and early 2000s is why the Blizzard brand is what it is. They've been in cruise control for awhile now though. Nothing they've done for awhile I find particularly great. Not bad or anything though.
Diablo 3 is the last game I played from them. Perhaps I just have a biased opinion because their games from my prominent gaming time were all so epically good. Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft, and WoW were all simply amazing titles.
Even their "bad" games/expansions were still pretty enjoyable.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:02 am to AshLSU
Diablo 3 is the worst game blizzard has ever put out, and even I found pockets of enjoyment from it, but it's a joke of a game compared to path of exile.
There are games in every genre that I find better than each blizzard game. That's my preference. I understand blizzards biggest draw is accessibility. OW is the exception to me. It's in a class of it's own and all of its competition has pretty much failed. I don't consider CSGO competition, totally different game.
There are games in every genre that I find better than each blizzard game. That's my preference. I understand blizzards biggest draw is accessibility. OW is the exception to me. It's in a class of it's own and all of its competition has pretty much failed. I don't consider CSGO competition, totally different game.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:05 am to bluebarracuda
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That's laughable. Fortnite wont sniff the competitive scene, like most other BR games
Perhaps, but they did introduce a mode for more precise aiming (reduction/elimination of bloom). Some have speculated that it could lead to some form of competitive play.
The problem is the randomness of weaponry in the battle royale games. In Fortnite if you and I land at the same spot, and you get a revolver and I get a shotgun, then there's a good chance I win even if you're the better player. There's reasons why the really good ones are giving themselves challenges like "sniper only" or "crossbow only" or even "pistols only". They still win quite often too.
The lack of randomness in other games (like Overwatch) means more focus on skill. Fortnite does reward skill, as does PubG, but there's always the chance a lesser player lands near you with a lucky pull or unlucky pull for yourself in terms of weapons, and bang - the lesser player is still in.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:17 pm to skrayper
I don't see why games push so hard to be "competitive". For many of them, it seems like making a product that is fun to watch your favorite streamer on on twitch is good enough. It's easy advertising.
I have no doubt in my mind that PUBG would be in a better place right now as a game if it never made a push for a competitive scene.
I have no doubt in my mind that PUBG would be in a better place right now as a game if it never made a push for a competitive scene.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:40 am to DrSteveBrule
There is no other MMORPG that even comes close to WoW and it likely never will be. That genre of game is likely dead but somehow WoW has managed to succeed.
No other game company puts the polish on their games like Blizzard. The cutscenes, the music, the atmosphere.... it's all there and it's a work of art. Hell, I'd play their games for the cutscenes and music alone.
And Diablo 3 is still a very entertaining game. Not as good as Diablo 2, but still a very enjoyable game. I honestly think the biggest problem with Diablo 3 is that everything is account bound. There is no real social interaction like it was in Diablo 2 because of that. It's essentially a single player game that you must play online for some reason. If they allowed the traiding of items, it would create an economy and a social aspect to the game.
No other game company puts the polish on their games like Blizzard. The cutscenes, the music, the atmosphere.... it's all there and it's a work of art. Hell, I'd play their games for the cutscenes and music alone.
And Diablo 3 is still a very entertaining game. Not as good as Diablo 2, but still a very enjoyable game. I honestly think the biggest problem with Diablo 3 is that everything is account bound. There is no real social interaction like it was in Diablo 2 because of that. It's essentially a single player game that you must play online for some reason. If they allowed the traiding of items, it would create an economy and a social aspect to the game.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:12 am to AshLSU
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There is no other MMORPG that even comes close to WoW
Elder scrolls is pretty good imo
Posted on 2/17/18 at 2:58 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Elder scrolls is pretty good imo
It keeps the torch going but isn't the same. All MMOs are missing something.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 3:22 pm to DrSteveBrule
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Diablo 3 is the worst game blizzard has ever put out, and even I found pockets of enjoyment from it, but it's a joke of a game compared to path of exile.
Yep, good example. D3 vs PoE is the perfect example of what I'm talking about and an example of just how far Blizzard has slid.
it's also a great example because D3 sold a ridiculous amount of copies, despite being the worst game Blizzard ever made (not a terrible game, just by Blizz standards) and despite the fact there were other ARPG's on the market that put it to shame.
That's what I'm talking about when I refer to Blizzard's market power and the inertia of their past.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 5:55 pm
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