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Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2
Posted on 12/10/21 at 6:11 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 6:11 am
Holy shite I never thought this game would ever get made. The original is one of the GOAT 3rd person shooter games.
Holy Emperor, watch over us.
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Holy Emperor, watch over us.
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Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:34 am to MaroonMonsoon
The Emperor protects.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 7:36 pm to MaroonMonsoon
I’ll have to check it out. Never played the first one.
I happened to be on a 40k lore discord a couple hours after this and the moderators were about ready to go crazy because e try 5 mi utes, someone would show up screaming “omg finally” for a good like 5 hours.
Supposedly a AOS MMO game is being made which I’m nervous about
I happened to be on a 40k lore discord a couple hours after this and the moderators were about ready to go crazy because e try 5 mi utes, someone would show up screaming “omg finally” for a good like 5 hours.
Supposedly a AOS MMO game is being made which I’m nervous about
Posted on 12/11/21 at 9:18 pm to MaroonMonsoon
Yep, looking forward to this one. The original game was amazing and the multiplayer alot of fun.
That game is what introduced me to W40K and became a huge fan of the universe. It's one IP I think could be really successful in multiple mediums (tv/film, FPS/RTS/MMO games) besides books and tabletop.
That game is what introduced me to W40K and became a huge fan of the universe. It's one IP I think could be really successful in multiple mediums (tv/film, FPS/RTS/MMO games) besides books and tabletop.
Posted on 12/11/21 at 10:31 pm to gpburdell
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successful in multiple mediums (tv/film,
I would be very interested in a good adaption but I don’t see it happening in part because it’d be a lot of money to pull off scale and for the below.
I think it’s difficult to do tv and film to a genereal audience. I mean, this is heavy satire that is all about amplified violence and it’s an IP that looks at what makes that sort of society. You can’t really sell genereal audiences on a series where the good guys think genocide is a perfectly acceptable reaction. Star ship troopers did it pretty well for a light fun movie that is partially based on 40k but 40k emphasizes on the misery of the human condition that’s just not fun to watch for most audiences who have no clue what they’re seeing.
On the other hand, you have the people who buy in entirely into the imperium being a good thing, and GW is absolutely terrified right now of being seen as pro-facism, which is why they had to put out the letter blatantly stating that the Imperium is evil and isn’t anything to respect. It’s right in the Intro, “darkest regime mankind has ever known”
This post was edited on 12/11/21 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 12/11/21 at 11:18 pm to athenslife101
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I would be very interested in a good adaption but I don’t see it happening in part because it’d be a lot of money to pull off scale and for the below.
Live action would be tough especially for large battles etc to do it right. Though, I'd be good with animated series that are Arcane level in quality.
Yeah, the other problem is that the "good guys" look like the Nazis in some ways. Based on the lore humanity has come very close to extinction several times. So you just need to put it into the proper context of why the Imperium of Man is the way it is.
Apparently, Netflix is in development of a live action series based on Eisenhorn. That makes sense as you can do something that doesn't require epic battles, armies etc. You can make this a detective/grimdark/horror type show.
I know Games Workshop has created a subscriber based service that has several shows I think. Have you seen any of that content yet? I haven't but will probably try it
Posted on 12/11/21 at 11:26 pm to athenslife101
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athenslife101
On the contrary, soul crushing content is exactly the kinda thing I find fun. If I had my way, every movie would be a horror movie lol
Posted on 12/11/21 at 11:46 pm to gpburdell
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Yeah, the other problem is that the "good guys" look like the Nazis in some ways. Based on the lore humanity has come very close to extinction several times. So you just need to put it into the proper context of why the Imperium of Man is the way it is.
I wouldn’t exactly say Nazis exactly because that’s never quite the vibe I got, but it is a totalitarian theocracy where human life isn’t valued. Yes, you do have “good” characters in there but even they are usually repugnant.
Dante had a scene where he talks about killing women and children xenos when he was young and and he’s the 2nd most powerful person in the imperium right now. Roboute Gulliman is the most powerful person and he said he wishes he was dead because things are so evil and he has no real power to stop it.
Eisenhorn is also not supposed to be a “likable” character, especially the further into the books you get. I was talking with people last night, by the time you get to Magos, you see he really isn’t a good guy. In the start of the book, as part of an interrogation, he uses his physical power to terrify an elderly man. At the end, the elderly man comes to him in a psychic way and was brutally like “you gave no thought what me coming to you tans me offering up information meant. That I died soon after running into you for all that it cost me.” It really drives home in the later books he has a hard time giving a shite of the people who surround him.
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Games Workshop has created a subscriber based service that has several shows I think. Have you seen any of that content yet?
Yep, I have it. I like it and think it’s worth it in my opinion but it is a bit sparse right now.
Angels of Death - there’s a lot I like in it. It is pretty much pure bolter porn but it has an amazing soundtrack and some really cool visuals. Some of the animation though, especially when they’re speaking looks incredibly off. I still need to see the last couple of episodes but this does feel like a BL book and it is the sort of thing that would probably make a good movie or tv show because it is so straight forward. Also, Blood Angels.
Hammer and Bolter - there’s only one episode I don’t like (the first one, the orc one) and it’s pretty simple small stories that serve as a (this is what it’s like to live in this universe). There are a couple of standout episodes, off the top of my head, the eldar one. Which does show space marines as being thug murderes but it’s probably the most emotional one. The animation is not very good, but doesn’t bother me too much.
That’s it for actual shows though I think 2 or so are about to be coming out somewhat soon.
Citadel Masterclass - helpful and I think Louise is just adorable in a weird way. Not anything you can’t really find on YouTube but she’s a great painter and I do think it’s worth watching if you like painting like me
Battle Reports - I don’t play the game so I do t know why I watch them other than I need something on in the background while I try and not quit my job but they’re high quality. Same people over and over again though which is kinda boring.
Loremasters - this achieves what it wants to I believe. It’s not going on a 1 hour long lecture like someone like Luetin09. This does give very succinct profiles of major people on 40k. It’s not really revealing anything new but it will get you up to speed on a particular person
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:13 am to MaroonMonsoon
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athenslife101 On the contrary, soul crushing content is exactly the kinda thing I find fun. If I had my way, every movie would be a horror movie lol
The thing isWarhammer (40k/whfb/AOS) is very earnest though. It’s drudgery mixed with pain and suffering. Not that often pure horror until you get to some of the evil factions.
Which is much more difficult to read and can be very easy to mess up.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 9:41 am to gpburdell
I love the 40k setting, and I'd love to see actual films made that were faithful to it, but I don't think we ever will for the following reasons:
1. The setting is too complex to really be accessible to the average moviegoer. As a contrast take LoTR. The background to that series is extremely deep, but because it is at heart a retelling of the Hero's Journey trope, it can be made accessible to people in a simple way. You don't have to know where Sauron came from to understand he is the Big Bad Guy in the movies, nor do you have to know who Celebrimbor is to understand why the One Ring is important to the story. 40k, by contrast, has no classic good guys or bad guys. The Imperium is both good, because it protects humanity from conquest and eventual extinction, and bad, because in order to protect Man it has to completely devalue men. It stamps out independent thought because free thought is literally dangerous in the setting - just thinking about Chaos in the wrong way at the wrong time and place can potentially make you a gateway for warp beasts to enter reality. It treats all xenos as Others because they literally are that. Mankind dealing with alien species is not the same as different nations of men dealing with each other. Perhaps some xenos, such as the Eldar and the Tau, could potentially be reasoned with and even allied with, but most, like the Orks, Tyranid, and Necrons, cannot be dealt with through any means other than extreme violence. And then of course there is Chaos, which quite clearly presents itself as the Enemy of All Life. The Imperium is necessarily harsh because the galaxy it inhabits is harsher still, but trying to get that across in a two-hour movie and still leaving enough time for an actual plot might be difficult.
2. 40k satirizes religion while at the same time taking it seriously. Yes, clearly the Imperium is meant to reflect the late Roman Empire when church and state were indistinguishable from each other, and the Imperial Cult is extremely intolerant of any viewpoint other than its own. But again, you have to take that intolerance in the context of the setting. Whether or not the Emperor is truly a god is never really made clear. Certainly he is attributed with the power of a god, and characters often pray to him and sometimes those prayers seem to be answered in miraculous ways. Is the Emperor really the only thing standing between Mankind and the predations of the Ruinous Powers? If so, I'd probably be pretty intolerant of those who didn't respect him too. I mean, there aren't any "good" gods in the setting. The Emperor may be harsh, but at least he claims to be looking out for the best interests of his followers. The Chaos gods just want to use you, after which they will poison/mutate/rape/kill you, possibly all at the same time.
3. 40k in general worships at the altar of the Alpha Male. I have no problem with that - honestly it is one of the things I appreciate about the setting - but clearly that sort of thing is not going to go over well in today's pop culture.
1. The setting is too complex to really be accessible to the average moviegoer. As a contrast take LoTR. The background to that series is extremely deep, but because it is at heart a retelling of the Hero's Journey trope, it can be made accessible to people in a simple way. You don't have to know where Sauron came from to understand he is the Big Bad Guy in the movies, nor do you have to know who Celebrimbor is to understand why the One Ring is important to the story. 40k, by contrast, has no classic good guys or bad guys. The Imperium is both good, because it protects humanity from conquest and eventual extinction, and bad, because in order to protect Man it has to completely devalue men. It stamps out independent thought because free thought is literally dangerous in the setting - just thinking about Chaos in the wrong way at the wrong time and place can potentially make you a gateway for warp beasts to enter reality. It treats all xenos as Others because they literally are that. Mankind dealing with alien species is not the same as different nations of men dealing with each other. Perhaps some xenos, such as the Eldar and the Tau, could potentially be reasoned with and even allied with, but most, like the Orks, Tyranid, and Necrons, cannot be dealt with through any means other than extreme violence. And then of course there is Chaos, which quite clearly presents itself as the Enemy of All Life. The Imperium is necessarily harsh because the galaxy it inhabits is harsher still, but trying to get that across in a two-hour movie and still leaving enough time for an actual plot might be difficult.
2. 40k satirizes religion while at the same time taking it seriously. Yes, clearly the Imperium is meant to reflect the late Roman Empire when church and state were indistinguishable from each other, and the Imperial Cult is extremely intolerant of any viewpoint other than its own. But again, you have to take that intolerance in the context of the setting. Whether or not the Emperor is truly a god is never really made clear. Certainly he is attributed with the power of a god, and characters often pray to him and sometimes those prayers seem to be answered in miraculous ways. Is the Emperor really the only thing standing between Mankind and the predations of the Ruinous Powers? If so, I'd probably be pretty intolerant of those who didn't respect him too. I mean, there aren't any "good" gods in the setting. The Emperor may be harsh, but at least he claims to be looking out for the best interests of his followers. The Chaos gods just want to use you, after which they will poison/mutate/rape/kill you, possibly all at the same time.
3. 40k in general worships at the altar of the Alpha Male. I have no problem with that - honestly it is one of the things I appreciate about the setting - but clearly that sort of thing is not going to go over well in today's pop culture.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 12:41 pm to TheTideMustRoll
The biggest reason is that Warhammer is about the triumph of evil.
Not only is evil portrayed as all powerful, it's also the only truth.
The Emperor, and the civilization he built, is a lie. The imperial truth, built on militant atheism, is a lie.
God's are very, very real. That's why some space Marines betrayed the Emperor. Only the Chaos God's are truly all powerful, and all knowing. You can never defeat them.
People forget that the imperial truth was built around violent and militant atheism until the chaos God's revealed themselves. Afterwards, the imperium reorganized itself around worshipping the Emperor.
Not only is evil portrayed as all powerful, it's also the only truth.
The Emperor, and the civilization he built, is a lie. The imperial truth, built on militant atheism, is a lie.
God's are very, very real. That's why some space Marines betrayed the Emperor. Only the Chaos God's are truly all powerful, and all knowing. You can never defeat them.
People forget that the imperial truth was built around violent and militant atheism until the chaos God's revealed themselves. Afterwards, the imperium reorganized itself around worshipping the Emperor.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 11:29 pm to athenslife101
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Star ship troopers did it pretty well for a light fun movie that is partially based on 40k
I think you’ve got that backwards. 40k derives a lot from earlier science fiction like “Starship Troopers” (1959) and “Dune” (1965).
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Hell, the first two movies in the Alien franchise were out before the first edition of 40k.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 6:48 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:07 am to MaroonMonsoon
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The Emperor, and the civilization he built, is a lie.
This question is one of my favorite things about the setting. Clearly the Imperial Truth is a complete lie. Even more clearly, the Emperor knew it was a lie before the Great Crusade ever began. So then... why? What is the Emperor's actual goal? Is he really seeking to protect mankind from the true power of the warp and trying to hide its existence was the best means he could come up with? Or is he, as the Chaos Gods claim, manipulating humanity for the purposes of setting himself up as a god? And even if he is, what other choice does humanity have? It isn't like there's some other better god mankind can look to for protection. The Chaos gods all want to kill you and then devour your soul. Compared to that even a manipulative and self-interested Emperor doesn't sound so bad.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 6:49 am to TheTideMustRoll
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And even if he is, what other choice does humanity have? It isn't like there's some other better god mankind can look to for protection.
There’s always the Laughing God or the humans living under the Tau Empire’s Greater Good god.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:59 am to Sasquatch Smash
I would suspect that humans attempting to worship and gain the favor of any of the surviving Eldar gods would be equivalent to xenos trying to worship and gain the favor of the Emperor - it just isn't going to happen. Non-Chaos "deities" in the setting are all tied to the species that birthed them, and aren't likely to have room in their plans for anyone who might challenge the ascendancy of their children.
Unless they changed the fluff since the last time I delved deeply into it, the Tau don't worship a god. The "Greater Good" is just the (supposed) collective welfare of everyone who forms a part of the Tau Empire. In that sense they are kind of like humanity in the Age of Technology, and like the humans of that era, are vulnerable to ultimately being brought low by the power of Chaos, against which they have no real protection.
Unless they changed the fluff since the last time I delved deeply into it, the Tau don't worship a god. The "Greater Good" is just the (supposed) collective welfare of everyone who forms a part of the Tau Empire. In that sense they are kind of like humanity in the Age of Technology, and like the humans of that era, are vulnerable to ultimately being brought low by the power of Chaos, against which they have no real protection.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 4:32 pm to MaroonMonsoon
My nephew (who's a big Warhammer fan) wanted some Tau figures for Christmas from his grandparents. I knew nothing about the game or the universe so I started doing some research which has led me deep down the rabbit hole 
.
I went yesterday and picked up a copy of the core rule book and a Grey Knights codex. Hoping next year he and I can make a Warhammer game part of our Christmas traditions.
. I went yesterday and picked up a copy of the core rule book and a Grey Knights codex. Hoping next year he and I can make a Warhammer game part of our Christmas traditions.
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