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Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:38 pm to
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Here we fricking go. :)

Ciri is clearly canonically a bisexual female. Well, the bisexual bit is a touch complicated, but if they try to frick with her being 100% female, they can meet me at fricking Sonic
Posted by j1897
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:42 pm to
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Ciri is clearly canonically a bisexual female. Well, the bisexual bit is a touch complicated, but if they try to frick with her being 100% female, they can meet me at fricking Sonic


Same. Geralt in the games was.... on the spectrum. I've never read the books, and i didn't care in the games. CDPR has to see these woke games failing and know better.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 6:34 am to
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It wouldn't
true

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neither does a female completing the Trial of the grasses.
false

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There is no established lore that it's impossible for a female to survive.
the mutagen being survivable due to hormones, and even then rarely, doesn't satisfy this? Seems pretty clear you haven't read the source material, and are just skimming wiki or trusting reddit posts.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 6:55 am
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 9:30 am to
You seem to be confused about the entire trial of the grasses and mutagens. Triss doesn't say it would kill ciri, she says "they don't know how to do it"



You keep saying females can't survive the trial but haven't provided any material to back that up.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 9:39 am
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 4:58 pm to
From what I remember in the books as far as females and the trial of the grasses was basically it was never tested and assumed women couldn’t handle it because only the strongest of men could handle it and men are stronger than women thus you’d almost certainly be sentencing them to certain death. So if what I remember is correct you’re quasi right that it has never been attempted or proven it couldn’t work. It’s still stupid to make ciri just a full on Witcher. I think most fans if asked what they would’ve wanted knowing Ciri would be the protagonist in a direct sequel to Witcher 3 would be her going on a journey steeped in politics and monster contracts but using her own special brand of powers but artificially scaled back, not just becoming the first female Witcher ever because reasons. You’ll find the Witcher isn’t a very fitting story for the post modernist themes you seem interested in injecting into it. It’s based by its very nature.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:14 pm to
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You seem to be confused about the entire trial of the grasses and mutagens.
Hardly

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Triss doesn't say it would kill ciri, she says "they don't know how to do it"
At that point Triss had a superficial knowledge of the mutagen. Geralt and Vesimir were adamant about not giving her the mutagen, because they were certain it would kill her. Pretty sure they say as much a few pages past that. . .but it has been a few years.

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You keep saying females can't survive the trial but haven't provided any material to back that up.
They explain the bruxa and manticore ingredients as being the key that fricks with hormones and slow aging. Iirc, that is the process that kills women because their hormones are different.

Ciri becoming a "Witcher" in 3 is supposed to signify a new path forward without undergoing the mutations. It is why her being a female "Witcher" and not a Witcher is so important to the game canon, as they will be more accepted and less monstrous to the general public

In the books she never takes the mutagen and never becomes a a "Witcher" much less a Witcher.




Also thanks for confirming my reddit theory. This is where you got the image. . .you coulda just linked it since you recited the argument almost verbatim

Here you go, pumpkin!
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 5:18 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:26 pm to
that's a long post to say there is nothing in the source material that says females can't become witchers.

if there was you wouldve just posted it..

Males had a 30% chance of survival at Kaer Morhen, without the help of mages, of course Geralt wouldn't let Ciri take it. Females have a lower chance, but in the years between witcher 4 and witcher 3 they could obtain more knowledge, like they regained the knowledge of the trials in the witcher 3 to perform on Uma.

the devs have already stated she will undergo the trial, the only thing left to figure out is how that comes to be narratively. If she is facing certain death without them, they would be willing to try.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 5:37 pm
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:40 pm to
The trial of the grasses is nothing compared to the misogyny women face from gamers every day
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:42 pm to
we call that the trial of the lasses
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 12:37 am to
Narrative director commented on ciri taking the trial on YouTube
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:37 am to
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that's a long post to say there is nothing in the source material that says females can't become witchers.

if there was you wouldve just posted it..

Everyone who has read the source material knows it. It is 100% of why she NEVER undergoes the trial of grasses in the source material. Never. Not once.

I just didn't scan Reddit and plagiarize someone else's post. . .who apparently stopped reading the moment Triss got to Kaer Morhen

But please. . .what else does Reddit have to say on the subject?

This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 7:40 am
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:20 am to
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Everyone who has read the source material knows it. It is 100% of why she NEVER undergoes the trial of grasses in the source material. 

It's nice to see you be so confidently wrong. The Polish group that made an entire 2001 Pen & Paper RPG Wiedzmin: Gra Wyobrazni, put female witchers from the school of the cat in the game. I guess they didn't "read the source material" according to you, man without any source other than "everyone knows"

Geralt wouldn't subject anyone to the low odds of the trial. He disagrees with the whole premise of them. He thinks it's fricked up his own mother gave him up knowing what it meant
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I just didn't scan Reddit and plagiarize someone else's post

So you want me to read through all the books again looking for the few times they mention the trial of the grasses involving ciri rather than using the internet? Lmao that's the entire point of a search function, others have already done that work.

Once again, quit deflecting and provide evidence that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a female to survive the Trials, rather than "everyone knows". Because clearly everyone doesn't know that, including the devs with approval from the author

It's so funny to watch u try to act like you know things yet you can't provide ANYTHING to back up what YOU claim. You would think if an author wanted to make it canon that females can't undergo the Trials he would have provided one passage in 7 books clarifying that.

It's OK, you made an assumption that no female witchers meant it was physically impossible and the usual happened.
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 8:59 am
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 1:06 pm to
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confidently wrong.
Name the book in which Ciri underwent the trial of grasses. I'll wait

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2001 Pen & Paper RPG Wiedzmin: Gra Wyobrazni,
Is not the source material
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So you want me to read through all the books again
just once would be fine

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he usual happened.
You C&P'ing Reddit while I humiliate you.

Just like with Veilguard
Just like with Acolyte

Yeah. . .pretty much.
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:09 pm to
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quit deflecting and provide evidence that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a female to survive the Trials

this is why you always lose these arguments.

you try so hard to deflect my argument because you have none.

your only argument is that you think you are smart when it is clear you have nothing to work with.

that might work with your kids but it doesn't work when it comes to real life.

Until you can provide a source that says females cannot undergo the trial of grasses, I'll stick with the devs who have Sapkowski's approval.
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:14 pm to
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quote:
2001 Pen & Paper RPG Wiedzmin: Gra Wyobrazni,
Is not the source material

dumbass can't even remember his own argument

Roaad: Everyone who has read the source material knows it.
Me: The Polish group that made an entire 2001 Pen & Paper RPG Wiedzmin: Gra Wyobrazni, put female witchers from the school of the cat in the game. I guess they didn't "read the source material" according to you, man without any source other than "everyone knows"
Roaad: "That's not source material"

what a frickin idiot
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:15 pm to
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this is why you always lose these arguments.
I have LITERALLY never lost an argument with you.

Literally.

Not once. Not even almost once.



I would ask that you produce a single argument I have lost on here.

I will wait.

I can offer your inability to understand current. . .just off the top of my head, as a clear loss on your part.

Let's see your example.

I'll wait. . .

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deflect my argument
I am addressing your arguments directly. Where have I deflected? Do you know what that means?
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:17 pm to
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Roaad: Everyone who has read the source material knows it.
correct
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Me: The Polish group that made an entire 2001 Pen & Paper RPG Wiedzmin: Gra Wyobrazni, put female witchers
and they know it, too.

They wanted female witchers in their game, so they broke Canon. So?

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dumbass


And there it is.

I win again!

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what a frickin idiot
how embarrassing for you that this "idiot" is winning
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:21 pm to
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They wanted female witchers in their game, so they broke Canon. So?

you are incredible at mental gymnastics. the people that dedicated so much of their lives to a book series wanted to do something impossible in that world in their game? they told you that or you just "know" it. because the things you know have been proven wrong quite a few times already.

you knew it was impossible for a female to undergo the trial of the grasses too, but it is happening now with the approval of Sapkowski
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:24 pm to
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you are incredible at mental gymnastics
mkay

cry more
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 2:24 pm to
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I am addressing your arguments directly. Where have I deflected?

provide your source for female witchers being impossible. the exact passage in the books. it's gotta be in there, otherwise you wouldn't keep saying you "know" it.
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