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re: The Witcher 4 Reveal Trailer

Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:46 pm to
Posted by scottydoesntknow
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:46 pm to
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This isnt really true. From a book perspective I would say hes pretty neutral on it,


Id refer you to to the short story "Something More"

Its fair to say hes accepted the life but has deep sadness and regrets that he was abandoned and mutated into something not even considered human anymore. He basically renounces being a witcher at the end of the series.

One might could use the games as an alternative universe to justify Ciri becoming a witcher, but there is no way book Ciri ever does
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:55 pm to
There’s also passages in the books where he discusses how it brings him good things and he enjoys certain parts of the life and the path. That’s why I said he’s neutral about it in the books. You can pick and choose examples
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:01 pm to
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Her story and Geralts story are the same story. They’re finished and wrapped up in a very satisfying way idk why they would tempt fate to frick that up



Ultimately this is my main sticking point. I have zero interest in playing a female character in a video game and I think its a bad $$ decision but its not my game and I realize there are weird cats that like that kind of game....so I can kind of concede that.

Ciri's story is so dark, it finally ends on a high note. Its so strange to take away her good ending to bring it back down into the sludge of being a mutated witcher that cannot have children.

I get that they dont want to give up a universe of known characters to have to write new ones...but we could have played as Eskel or Lambert. I think playing as young Vesemir would have been cool or just some Witcher from another school in Nilfgard or something.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:09 pm to
There’s literally so much stuff they could pull from in the lore and the books to build a game around like just off the top of my head either first or second northern war (the 3rd is the one the Witcher 3 for those that don’t know), playing as a mage and involving the game and plot around the coup of thanyd and go total game of thrones red wedding with it, making a game when witchers were literally at the hight of the power long before the fall of kaer morhan. Of course these would all require you to mostly completely ditch the characters whose stories are done but unfortunately for them are the branding and they don’t have the talent or they don’t believe they do at least to do that this. Much less make something Witcher related that pulls absolute nothing from sopkawski
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 6:12 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:46 pm to
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but unfortunately for them are the branding and they don’t have the talent or they don’t believe they do at least to do that this

Maybe yall should just let the talented people that made the witcher 3 and 2 awesome expansions do what they think is best rather than acting like you know better.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:20 pm to
Hot take buddy, most of those people arent there anymore. It isnt surprising you dont know this tbh. The name CDPR means nothing. The people who actually make the game means everything. Go check how many people credited for Witcher 3 are still employed at CDPR. Do they still have the ability to make something good? I think so yeah, I probably have the most faith in them out of all establishment AAA companies, im not counting on it though. Do I think they have the ability to make anything thats not absolute garbage that doesnt continue to ape off the established iconography and branding of witcher 3? Absolutely not. Which is why this is just Witcher 3 the sequel.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 9:26 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:32 pm to
The lead writer Marcin Blacha from Witcher 3 is still there as well as the Gameplay lead.

both people from the Witcher 4 interview that came out today also worked on the witcher 3 LINK
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:49 pm to
Do you have any idea how many people it will take to make a game the size of Witcher 4 is likely to be? From what I remember because there was a really big controversy about the crunch involved witcher 3 because it was basically made in about 3 years of actual full scale production with only 150 people scaling up to 250 people for like the final 6 months. That game exploded the company the company in size, which isnt always a good thing, and they will easily have 500 people working on this at least. You are also aware these team leaders have people working under them yes? The lead writer for witcher 3 didnt sit down and write the entire script. They use scenario writers, some will be tasked with writing side quest, some will be tasked with creating the charming lines npcs say while you walk around etc. If all of those people are gone, which they are, then the "lead" still being there means absolutely nothing unless just as talented people are brought in to replace them. And since DEI has never done that once in history I find it hard to believe it will here. Dont forget guys the Veilgaurd team had some team leads from Dragon age Inquistion. Great game right?
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:55 pm to
I'd assume a lot of people from Phantom Liberty are working on it and that turned out great.
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since DEI has never done that once in history I find it hard to believe it will here.

we're done here. you see a female lead and call it DEI

i swear you incel children will grow up one day and realize putting a woman in a game/movie doesn't make it worse or better than a male lead.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 9:56 pm
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:09 pm to
who exactly are the incel children? i despise DEI, does that make me an incel?

Because I'm happy to compare our lives.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:24 pm to
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who exactly are the incel children?

people that see a game/movie with a female lead and call it DEI and cry that it will ruin the game/movie based on no other info.

we have a good example right here
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Ultimately this is my main sticking point. I have zero interest in playing a female character in a video game and I think its a bad $$ decision but its not my game and I realize there are weird cats that like that kind of game....so I can kind of concede that.

as for comparing lives, you spend way more of yours complaining on the poli board, you don't come off as a happy person but I guess the saying probably has some truth that misery loves company
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:28 pm to
I literally don’t give a shite if the character is female or not. I’ve said that many times already in this thread, one is even like the second post in the whole thread. None of the criticism you’re even responding to has ANYTHING to do with that, it’s actually entirely about the fact the same people who made Witcher 3 will not be making Witcher 4. You’re trying to spin it that way. And incel? Buddy I’m not sure if you know what that word means but I know it’s a hot word you guys like to throw around like it owns us, but when im 36 and live with my gf who I’ve been with since 11th grade that’s like the absolute opposite of an incel.

Not that any of that matters because all of that language is just meant to be a smokescreen away from the I think very legitimate and reasonable question people could have for being wary of this game, and it’s that CDPR has become a totally different studio since Witcher 3 and almost none of the people who made it are still there.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 10:29 pm
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:31 pm to
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as for comparing lives, you spend way more of yours complaining on the poli board, you don't come off as a happy person but I guess the saying probably has some truth that misery loves company



it's like you tried to make a clever jab here, but didn't have the balls to throw the punch. but since you did, frick it. I might have 100 posts total on the PB, but sure.

You on the other-hand spend 90% of your day pretending to be something you're not. (even tho no one believes you; see downvote counts). 22k posts in 2 years and you want to talk about how my time is spent? lol, i only see one 'incel' here, it ain't td.

again, we can compare lives any day of the week. if you want to pretend to be tough, put your money where your mouth is or put your weight into the punches.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 11:02 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:32 pm to
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literally don’t give a shite if the character is female or not.

then why did you bring up DEI in your last post? if it wasn't about females what were you referencing? I didn't see any black characters in the trailer
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:37 pm to
The context was in replacing the tons and tons of people who have left the company since Witcher 3 and how just because one or two team leads are still there it means nothing if merit isn’t the deciding factor in bringing in whose on those teams. And since CDPRs website is slathered with as much ESG and DEI slop as you possibly could put there I have my doubts that’s what happened. But, and again as I’ve already said ITT, they haven’t actually made anything worth objecting to yet so I’ll give them grace until they do.

And no the people who made phantom liberty will largely not be the people behind Witcher 4, if at all. It depends how their studio structure and setup works but a company of that size typically has independent divisions working on an individual game. They don’t just finish phantom liberty and run over to Witcher 4. Those people will have moved on to whatever is next for cyberpunk.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:42 pm to
This thread would be a really interesting conversation about how best to handle established characters between types of media if it wasn’t inundated with the exact same “woke/DEI” argument we’ve had a couple dozen times already. Do you guys not get tired of this shite after a while?
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:43 pm to
well, I guess when I'm playing the game in a few years and enjoying it you'll still be around to tell me that it sucks over some reason or another.

I'm really anticipating it though, should be great.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:46 pm to
My argument stems from my doubts that CDPR has adequately hired to fill the roles of those who were largely responsible for actually creating Witcher 3. Pattern recognition is a thing and they wouldn’t be even close to the first studio to have that problem. They all seem to have one thing in common with how they hire as well. Are we just not supposed to notice that or talk about? I’ve also been way more fair to CDPR than any other company who does this stuff because as of yet they’ve made nothing worth objecting to.

As far as the conversation you wanted to have we were having that conversation, just because I responded to someone else with concerns about their hiring policies you could’ve just ignored it and kept on that line of conversation and I would’ve replied in kind.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73055 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:47 pm to
with that being said. the trailer looked good to me.

i dabbled in Witcher 3, but sort of missed the boat. I thoroughly enjoyed Seasons 1 & 2 of the Netflix series and plan to devote some serious time to Witcher 4.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

well, I guess when I'm playing the game in a few years and enjoying it you'll still be around to tell me that it sucks over some reason or another.


this entire thing is a defeated straw man position
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