re: The PS5 Pro coming 11/7 at $699

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Are they worth $700? IMO no. Are they worth $200? Possibly.

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You can more than likely sell a base PS5 at a $100-200 dollar loss, so the upgrade is really a $300-400 cost.

I bought one from Best Buy about 5 minutes after the livestream ended. I am not even sure I’m going to get the Pro but if I do I’ll need the disc drive and didn’t want to get screwed over by scalpers.

With a PC every 5-7 years you still have to drop nearly a grand.

I built a $2000 beefy rig in 2017. Ryzen 7, 1080 Ti 32 GB of ram.

It could play all the games of the time at 4k 60 fps for the most part.

But games keep getting crazier. If I wanted to revive that PC it would cost way, way more than a new console. New Mobo for plus cost of AM5 chipset. A 4070 ti. At this point I might as well a new build.

Then in 5 years when my 4070 is obsolete. I’d be shelling out another almost $1000 for whatever new GPU I would need to run modern games. Not to mention having to upgrade cpus along the way.

There are many advantages to PC gaming but the upgrades being more affordable was true with GPUs prior to crypto and COVID.


PC gamings advantage is in the larger choice of digital market places, free online and generally not being locked into a single vendor like Sony.

Trust me in the last few days I’ve heavily dug into getting back into PC gaming. I will take the plunge one day for sure. But consoles are extremely competitive.

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But games keep getting crazier. If I wanted to revive that PC it would cost way, way more than a new console. New Mobo for plus cost of AM5 chipset. A 4070 ti. At this point I might as well a new build.

Then in 5 years when my 4070 is obsolete. I’d be shelling out another almost $1000 for whatever new GPU I would need to run modern games. Not to mention having to upgrade cpus along the way.

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Definitely not looking to go point by point with you, but this really isn't the case if all you're trying to do is keep up with consoles. I had an argument with a guy on here back in 2021 in which he was arguing that his PS5 was better than all of our gaming PCs because it could do "4k 120hz". It took post after post to get him to understand that, even though that's what he put the settings at, consoles used dynamic resolution and settings behind the scenes such that he wasn't, actually, getting the performance he thought he was. The PS5 essentially has an rx6700 (minor tweaking up and down) under the hood. At 1440p and 4k, your current 4070 is a significantly larger jump in performance from the 6700 than the 6700 was from your 1080TI.

Graphics Card Lowest Price 1080p Ultra 1080p Medium 1440p Ultra 4K Ultra

GeForce RTX 4070 $539 79.2% (122.0fps) 90.7% (177.5fps) 66.9% (97.8fps) 50.0% (57.2fps)

Radeon RX 6700 10GB N/A 55.9% (86.1fps) 74.4% (145.7fps) 43.0% (62.8fps) 28.7% (32.9fps)

GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Row 46 - Cell 1 43.1% (66.4fps) 56.3% (110.2fps) 34.4% (50.2fps) 25.8% (29.5fps)

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Because of settings creep and (generally) a lack of dynamic scaling on the PC side, people generally think consoles are vastly more powerful than they actually are. If you build a $1,000 gaming PC and then wait for consoles to actually pass you by an appreciable amount, you're likely talking closer to 10-12 year upgrade cycles, not 5-7.

With all of that said, consoles absolutely have their place. There are games that I hesitate to suggest to people because of the tweaking I needed to do to really make it hum, while it would have been plug and play on consoles.

But from a raw priced to performance perspective? PC is still going to win long term, even post GPU price explosion.

I mean that’s what I mean. Consoles are a no fuss plug and play method for me to game. The dynamic resolution requires zero screwing with on my part and looks great on my 77 inch 4k OLED tv.

I am definitely aware that consoles aren’t running 4k 120 natively. But the trickery they use added with the streamlined optimization by developers often and the fact that I just like to sit back and game on my huge OLED. Just makes consoles my favorite value proposition.

I know you can hook a desktop to your TV trust me. I make a healthy six figures working in tech. It’s just extra plugging and clicking. Sure it’s like way less than a minute but it’s not faster than holding power button on my controller and being in a game in 10 seconds.

There is a day in my life where I shell out the cash to build a UFO PC again. But until that day consoles have solid value.

PS5 Pro aside that is. I’m still not sure if I’m going to get it.


Hell half the games I play are last gen dark souls games so the PS5 and Series X I have just handles them without a hitch.

And I get all of that. My point is that you don’t need to upgrade a PC every 5-7 years to keep up with consoles. Just drop the settings to medium, increase the upscaling level, etc, and you be as good or better than consoles for over a decade.

Again, I get the allure of consoles; price just isn’t it.

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what game exists that I need to spend $600 on this when I already have a PS5?

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Not caught up on the thread, but some dude at Activision-Blizzard was speculating that they figure those most likely to pull the trigger on a $700 console already have a PS5, and will trade it in at GameStop for $350, making the cost of upgrading only $350, too.

Anyone have a good video of what games look like on the best PCs out there today?

The sad thing is that $299 in 1995 USD is worth about $618 today.

Not if you're a shareholder. They would lose their asses with those prices.