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The EQ Emulator world melted down yesterday

Posted on 6/24/25 at 10:41 am
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 10:41 am
How did you survive the apocalypse? I made s'mores.

The motion was filed days ago, but word didn't leak out until yesterday.

Reason.com: Daybreak Game Co. v. Takahashi

quote:

Court Rejects Sealing and TRO in EverQuest Lawsuit


The actual filing for copyright infringement

Short version: Daybreak tried to seal its attempted legal actions against the guys running the THJ EQ emulator server, claiming the sealing was needed because the THJ guys would:

quote:

likely will destroy relevant documentary evidence and hide or transfer assets to foreign jurisdictions


without providing any (and I many any) sort of evidence or reasoning backing such a claim. The court rightly refused, and word got out. The real issue here is that DB went to this shock-and-awe extreme as their first step, not even sending out a C&D.

For those not familiar, there has been a lot of EQ emulators (as there are with others like WoW, CoH, etc) and DB has left them alone. THJ has only been up since November 1st, but has already jumped to a steady population of 2,500-3,000 active players on the server. DB has always been a bit secretive with their population numbers (ever since they took server pops down when population began declining after Planes of Power), but current speculation is that they are far more invested in whale-servicing (which is guessed to be less than 1,500 active players) through constantly making new TLPs (Time-Locked Progression servers) rather than getting back to innovative content.

One aspect DB may have a point on is that THJ created their own currency (ECM - Echoes of Memory) and while you can earn them through just playing the game, you can also buy them (RWT). I don't know of any other emu that does that (although my knowledge on them is somewhat limited). The closest I know of is CoH: Homecoming which allows donations for assisting in keeping the servers up and new content to be developed (through a deal worked out with NCSoft).

How that plays out with ignoring other emulator servers, I guess time will tell.
This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 2:02 pm
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 11:11 am to
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Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:53 pm to
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For those not familiar, there has been a lot of EQ emulators (as there are with others like WoW, CoH, etc) and DB has left them alone. THJ has only been up since November 1st, but has already jumped to a steady population of 2,500-3,000 active players on the server. DB has always been a bit secretive with their population numbers (ever since they took server pops down when population began declining after Planes of Power), but current speculation is that they are far more invested in whale-servicing (which is guessed to be less than 1,500 active players) through constantly making new TLPs (Time-Locked Progression servers) rather than getting back to innovative content.

One aspect DB may have a point on is that THJ created their own currency (ECM - Echoes of Memory) and while you can earn them through just playing the game, you can also buy them (RWT). I don't know of any other emu that does that (although my knowledge on them is somewhat limited). The closest I know of is CoH: Homecoming which allows donations for assisting in keeping the servers up and new content to be developed (through a deal worked out with NCSoft).


That is insane. I may want to check this out

What you describe regarding their own currency though is a major facepalm. In no way does any private server have any right whatsoever to charge its player base.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:15 pm to
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That is insane. I may want to check this out

I posted about it not long ago: LINK It's active and quite a bit different from the original EQ but also close enough that it all feels extremely familiar.

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What you describe regarding their own currency though is a major facepalm. In no way does any private server have any right whatsoever to charge its player base.


It's completely optional and you can earn EOM (I mistyped before, using ECM instead of EOM) by just playing, but buying them gives you more and faster. Most of the stuff you can get from EOM are QOL things like being able to tp to your current expidition zone (a version of a specific zone where mobs either respawn or don't, the latter having named, for you and any group members you want to bring in), serverwide buffs, etc.

You can also sell/trade EOM with other players for plat ingame so it's not like it's a lootbox moneygrab.
Posted by bamabenny
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:48 pm to
THJ is such a refreshing take on EQ, I’ve been really enjoying it from time to time.
Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:25 pm to
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It's completely optional and you can earn EOM (I mistyped before, using ECM instead of EOM) by just playing, but buying them gives you more and faster. Most of the stuff you can get from EOM are QOL things like being able to tp to your current expidition zone (a version of a specific zone where mobs either respawn or don't, the latter having named, for you and any group members you want to bring in), serverwide buffs, etc.

You can also sell/trade EOM with other players for plat ingame so it's not like it's a lootbox moneygrab.


It doesn't matter. They are making money off of what is essentially stolen code/assets. I am in favor of private servers, but this kind of thing just a heat magnet.

I don't think Daybreak would care if the server wasn't as popular as it is, but this is the #1 thing they can hang their hat on.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 6/25/25 at 2:31 pm to
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t doesn't matter. They are making money off of what is essentially stolen code/assets. I am in favor of private servers, but this kind of thing just a heat magnet.

I don't think Daybreak would care if the server wasn't as popular as it is, but this is the #1 thing they can hang their hat on.


They can, but it's going to be a highly problematic argument as they have publicly approved of P99 doing it (for all three of their servers) while ignoring all the others which do it (EZ, PEQ, Lazarus, Imperium, etc). To be fair, none of them (including THJ) are profiting, with all donations going towards keeping the equipment up and running (bandwidth, servers, rack rent, etc).

As to the popularity issue, I too think that's it in nutshell. THJ routinely has more active players than all other legendary level EQ Emulator servers combined. LINK

Another problem they're going to have with making that point is that it's mentioned as almost an afterthought in their filing, instead focusing on IP aspects of names and images as well as making the bizarre claim that THJ seeks to defraud players by fooling them into thinking they are logging into EQ Live servers (and that claim is sandwiched between the complaint about having EQ branding present and the removal of EQ branding for custom branding ).

If this were when they first went after P99, I could see a better case. The problem is they've allowed many others to do this exact thing and have either actively ignored it or actively approved it. While the courts have generally had no problem with selective enforcement, the level this rises to could open up avenues for defense via laches or estoppel.

Laches: If the party can show they relied on the IP holder’s prior inaction and suffered prejudice (ie: did not seem to care until their server became the most successful emu, possibly even more than DB's own servers).

Estoppel/Acquiescence: If the IP holder's inaction implied consent (like above, by publicly tolerating similar uses), the new party could argue they reasonably believed their use was allowed. This may be especially true when viewing this through the lens of approval of P99 and ignoring the other servers (and there are dozens... *dozensofus.gif*).

This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 2:33 pm
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:36 am to
Looks like they shut down for good last night.
Posted by bamabenny
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:16 am to
Of course Daybreak can't let a good, refreshing take on EQ survive. THJ was becoming way too popular.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:25 am to
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Looks like they shut down for good last night.


Yep, the court finally granted DBG's injunction.

Now to wait and see what they blame the failure of their next TLP on.
Posted by travelgamer
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:55 pm to
EQ got me into the MMO world, I remember trying to get out of the Surefall Glades tunnel since I started as a half elf ranger. I couldn't do it until I learned the gamma trick.
Posted by lud0
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 7:41 am to
My first character was a human druid in Surefall. Fire Beetle Eye was a freaking life safer.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 9:05 am to
Tell me you played early in the game's history...

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My first character was a human druid in Surefall. Fire Beetle Eye was a freaking life safer.




My first (and main) character was a half-elf bard and I went HE mainly because of the ability to see at night (guildies had told me about the night blindness). At one point I rolled up a barbarian tank, the only way I could get from Everfrost into BB was to turn around so I could see the light of the entry tunnel in the distance, then walk backwards til I zoned.
Posted by lud0
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Posted on 11/26/25 at 4:03 pm to
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My first (and main) character was a half-elf bard and I went HE mainly because of the ability to see at night (guildies had told me about the night blindness). At one point I rolled up a barbarian tank, the only way I could get from Everfrost into BB was to turn around so I could see the light of the entry tunnel in the distance, then walk backwards til I zoned.


Old thread, apologies for the bump. I stuck with my Druid and ended up being the server (Quellious) first w/ full Vermi armor. That was well before epics and mounts, hell even before Plane of Hate was available. Then my gulid bounced over to Sullon Zek to raise hell and grief. Good times.
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