re: Some gamers seriously need help, re: female generals in Total War Rome II

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Honest question: would you be fine with more inclusion if it didn't come with the perceived underlying message of "down with males"? I say perceived because I know a lot of that is out there, and I'm not going to apologize for being a white male. That crap needs to go because it's not helping anybody. But I also don't think it's the case ALL the time. Sometimes it's just "this might be really interesting if we go the female route" with no agenda.

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Since you seem to have missed it completely:

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In my experience, gamers have had no issue with female representation in games when it makes sense. Samus, Tomb Raider, Bayonetta, Mirror's Edge, Horizon, etc. None of these were met with any pushback because it wasn't a clear social justice move and their existence makes sense within the context of the game they're in.

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Others have reiterated this same point. It has absolutely nothing to do with females in games. It has everything to do with the reasoning for it. You want to write a story around a badass female protagonist? Go for it. If it's good, it'll sell.

The problem people have is when devs go full Bioware and blatantly push an agenda to the point where if you wanted your character in Dragon Age Inquisition to be a straight male, you had 2 romance options out of 8. Straight females had 4 options and bi females had 6. All of this while spouting being "fair and inclusive". Turn back the time to Dragon Age: Origins where there were only 4 total options. 2 straight options and 1 gay option for each gender. No one complained, because it was actually fair.

The above example isn't specifically the topic at hand, but it demonstrates what the gaming community actually has an issue with. It has nothing to do with the inclusion of whoever feels like they're being left out. It has everything to do with the motive and implementation of it. When part of your marketing campaign is "Look at how inclusive we are! #GirlPower" it's going to turn people off to something that wouldn't have normally bugged them in the first place. Just make a female playable character/protag and advertise the game itself. Someone brought up Halo adding female playable characters as a good example. They didn't make some huge deal about it, they just added being able to play as a girl and no one batted an eye. Don't throw social politics into the forefront of your product. People play games to get away from that garbage.

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I hope you’re not including that butch looking knight as one of the romance options for straight males in inquisition.

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Sadly, yes.

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Wait we are now using video game romance options to say white males aren't being included??

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Your reading comprehension is on par with that of a 5 year old if that's what you took from that.

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if you wanted your character in Dragon Age Inquisition to be a straight male, you had 2 romance options out of

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Can’t you romance the dwarf scout? What about Sera?

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Can’t you romance the dwarf scout?

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Cute little dwarf was just a tease. Sara was a lesbian but she was even less attractive than Cassandra. Hell all the female options were fugly. Leliana was hot but not an option.

If I was gay I'd definitely let Iron Bull frick me

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The problem people have is when devs go full Bioware and blatantly push an agenda

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This is really what it's all about.

It's painfully obvious when decisions about what's included in the game are being driven by a social agenda.

Most people fundamentally find propaganda of any type disgusting, when they can see it for what it is.

Besides, there's this gigantic disconnect between the creators and the audience, which makes no sense.

The vast, vast majority of gaming dollars are spent by younger, straight, white/asian men. Isn't it just common business sense that your games would cater to that demographic? Traditionally gaming always has (and still does to a large degree) however as I discussed earlier, the idea of young males having a hobby or interest primarily for themselves has become extremely taboo very quickly.

They are purposefully making the products less enjoyable for their main group of customers and then act all flabbergasted when those people get pissed off.

BTW, gamingcirclejerk reddit is money.