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Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:40 am to
Posted by bamabenny
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:40 am to
5800x3d and 3080FE

I’m maxed out for a few years unless a screaming GPU deal shows up next gen
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:10 pm to
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I’m maxed out for a few years unless a screaming GPU deal shows up next gen


You’re biting next gen; you won’t be able to help yourself
Posted by bamabenny
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:33 pm to
If the price per frame value is similar to what we got with this gen, maybe not haha

Hopefully the market will correct itself for the better
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:46 pm to
7700x and 4070.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

If the price per frame value is similar to what we got with this gen, maybe not haha Hopefully the market will correct itself for the better


The issue with this gen is that price to performance stayed the same (roughly speaking, outside of the stupid 4080), when normally every generation offers better price to performance. Assuming next gen has any performance leap whatsoever, I just can’t see either company jacking prices up that much again. Because of that, I think next gen will once again be expensive, but with another generational leap, it won’t be quite as galling.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 3:47 pm to
Built in ‘22 (mid)

11900K/3080FE but it’s Joshed up.

Thing doesn’t stutter.

This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:51 am to
I haven’t personally tested it, but it sounds like we’re at the end of an era. No more using old Windows keys for new builds: LINK /
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 10:44 am to
KMSPico tyfys
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:53 pm to
AMD FSR3 is now available.
Posted by LSUGent
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:00 pm to
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AMD FSR3 is now available.


*for that shitty game no one wants to play, Forspoken, only*

Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 8:13 pm to
Up to developers now, but given that it works on all GPUs and old ones, they'll be at 200+ games like FSR in no time. This will have a rapid adoption like freesync.

Open source companies.

This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 8:18 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 11:33 pm to
I sincerely hope the reviews for FSR3 are great. Nvidia needs competition in that arena.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:52 pm to
Epic Games Store's 'Steam Competitor' Ambitions Are As Good As Dead
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In a year of drastic job cuts in the games industry, occurring through a devastating fusion of a floundering global economy with irresponsible corporate spending, Epic Games claims the ignominious crown. The games publisher announced last week that it was laying off “around 830 employees,” representing a 16% downsizing of the company.

quote:

Epic spent over $1 billion on procuring Epic exclusives in the years 2019 and 2020. In 2020, those third-party exclusives only clawed back $265 million of that investment.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 11:54 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 6:26 am to
I'm all for competition, but Epic went about it the wrong way. I will always oppose companies paying to exclude competitors. Hopefully they can refocus on offering something to the market that Steam doesn't instead of lazily brute forcing the issue.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 1:08 pm to
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I sincerely hope the reviews for FSR3 are great. Nvidia needs competition in that arena.

*sigh*

HWU did a deep dive on the two available games with FSR 3: LINK

There are a fair number of issues with how the tech works right now that I won't go into (watch the video if you're interested) because AMD has already acknowledged the problems and says they are working on it.

Beyond that, it looks like the frame gen tech is good enough. It's not as good as Nvidia's, but it's fine. Though there are some caveats that come along with that that are too detailed to go into, but are covered well in the video. The problem is that "FSR 3" is really just "FSR 2.2 with frame gen". There has been zero improvement to the core upscaling technology, which currently lags painfully behind DLSS in visual quality, and you can't use AMD's frame gen tech without also using their upscaling tech.

Actually did a bit of googling, and while the video is much more illustrative, the conclusion at the bottom of this article basically covers the issues in a bit more depth than I have: LINK /

I hope the press this is getting is a wake up call for AMD, but I have to think Jensen is cackling right now.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 1:20 pm to
Yeah frick Epic. This was always going to be the outcome.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 6:54 pm to
DF FSR3 Hands On

Pretty much the consensus is the image quality is really good (he says he is still quite taken aback by how good this software solution is and up there with the competition), has a few bugs as expected at first launch and DF reached out to AMD and they confirmed VRR is already working with FSR3 for next the update.

I love how unbiased DF always is, alluding to the poor shape and many issues DLSS3 had at launch.
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 7:00 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 8:15 pm to
Watched the video, and his takeaway was essentially the same as everyone else: lots of bugs, which isn’t a big deal and AMD should be able to work it out. The frame gen itself is solid, though not quite as good as Nvidia. But AMD’s upscaling tech just isn’t as good as Nvidia’s, and that’s what’s causing the pronounced artifacting that he was seeing.

Frame gen needs very high frame rate to work properly. In most cases, to get a frame rate that high, you need to use upscaling. As long as FSR upscaling has pronounced ghosting and artifacting, FSR3 will be limited in its adoption.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 8:32 pm to
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FSR3 will be limited in its adoption.


This is one of the dumber things you have said.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29907 posts
Posted on 10/6/23 at 8:38 pm to
Honest question: which games have you played using FSR?
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