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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:15 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:15 am to thunderbird1100
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Something tells me AMD might be willing to deal a big blow to Nvidia here. I think Nvidia is a bit tone deaf to the current state of people's pockets over the last year+. Essentially rebadging a 70-series $500-ish card as a 12 GB 4080 for $900 is a gigantic slap in the face to people who buy mid-range GPUs.
I don’t think it’s tone deafness as much as it is desperation in service to the shareholders. In the last twelve months, Nvidia’s stock is down 65%, from a high of $346 to a low of $122. I think Huang knew exactly how people would react, but didn’t see any other option that would keep the shareholders off his back in the short term.
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:00 pm to thunderbird1100
I hope so. AMD has closed the performance gap and actually beats Nvidia now in efficiency.
Cheapest Per PCPP
6600: $250 (67 FPS at 1080p ultra)
3060: $370 (70 FPS at 1080p ultra)
6600 XT: $330 (78 FPS at 1080p ultra)
6650 XT: $298 (80 FPS at 1080p ultra)
3060 Ti: $493 (70 FPS at 1440p ultra)
6700 XT: $355 (71 FPS at 1440p ultra)
3070: $500 (78 FPS at 1440p ultra)
6750 XT: $420 (75 FPS at 1440p ultra)
6900 XT: $700 (63 FPS at 4k ultra)
3090: $960 (69 FPS at 4k ultra)
6950 XT: $990 (70 FPS at 4k ultra)
3090 Ti: $1100 (76 FPS at 4k ultra)
Cheapest Per PCPP
6600: $250 (67 FPS at 1080p ultra)
3060: $370 (70 FPS at 1080p ultra)
6600 XT: $330 (78 FPS at 1080p ultra)
6650 XT: $298 (80 FPS at 1080p ultra)
3060 Ti: $493 (70 FPS at 1440p ultra)
6700 XT: $355 (71 FPS at 1440p ultra)
3070: $500 (78 FPS at 1440p ultra)
6750 XT: $420 (75 FPS at 1440p ultra)
6900 XT: $700 (63 FPS at 4k ultra)
3090: $960 (69 FPS at 4k ultra)
6950 XT: $990 (70 FPS at 4k ultra)
3090 Ti: $1100 (76 FPS at 4k ultra)
Posted on 9/24/22 at 11:40 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Nov. 3rd will be interesting. If the price is underwhelming, I'll grab a 3080 off ebay for cheap. 
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:41 pm to hoojy
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:47 pm to hoojy
They're legit, and pretty spot on. If you're building new, go for it, IF you have the money and you want something now.
But personally, I'd wait for the cheaper B650 boards.
I did just that for my 5600x ITX build, and the B550 ITX board I got had superior VRMs and was cheaper than the more expensive X570 ITX boards.
Plus, you add the cost in for DDR5, and well yeah... you get what you pay for.
The performance gains are significant, but it comes at the cost of more spending and higher temperatures.
But personally, I'd wait for the cheaper B650 boards.
I did just that for my 5600x ITX build, and the B550 ITX board I got had superior VRMs and was cheaper than the more expensive X570 ITX boards.
Plus, you add the cost in for DDR5, and well yeah... you get what you pay for.
The performance gains are significant, but it comes at the cost of more spending and higher temperatures.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:20 am to hoojy
The Ryzen 7xxx reviews are telling me to just upgrade my Ryzen 3600 to a $150 5600 or 5800X3D if the price drops some there. 5800X3D is a helluva gaming chip and it wouldnt require me to go out and buy a new mobo and DDR5 RAM and it's seemingly just as fast in games as any new Ryzen 7xxx chip (until they released 3d cache version of those next year).
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 8:21 am
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:52 am to thunderbird1100
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The Ryzen 7xxx reviews are telling me to just upgrade my Ryzen 3600 to a $150 5600 or 5800X3D if the price drops some there. 5800X3D is a helluva gaming chip and it wouldnt require me to go out and buy a new mobo and DDR5 RAM and it's seemingly just as fast in games as any new Ryzen 7xxx chip (until they released 3d cache version of those next year).
If you have a 3600, and want to upgrade, then yes - pretty much.
Going to a 5600, 5600x or a 5800X3D (heck even a 5700x), will extend your build by 4-5 years IMO.
I'd hold off on 7XXX unless you are building a brand new workstation and need the chipset features offered by X670/X670E - honestly, B650/B650E should be more than enough for 95% of people.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:18 pm to boXerrumble
I'm waiting till BF to upgrade. It could be a 58003d or the newer one. That DDR5 gonna have to come down a bunch.
I'm coming from a 4770k so...
I'm coming from a 4770k so...
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:58 pm to hoojy
I'm still on an i5 8400 from 2017. The 12400 and 5600X are both $180 now at Microcenter.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 5:25 pm to boXerrumble
The universe seems to be healing: AMD processors are still widely available after an entire day of going on sale.
Now we'll see if GPUs ultimately follow suit
Now we'll see if GPUs ultimately follow suit
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:45 pm to Joshjrn
The local Microcenter actually still has 25+ in stock of both the 7600X and 7950X. Can't buy online though.
I wonder if AMD regrets releasing the 5800X3D.
I wonder if AMD regrets releasing the 5800X3D.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:51 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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I wonder if AMD regrets releasing the 5800X3D.
I doubt it, that came out to beta test the new technology before it's fully utilized in the 7000 series. And it worked well since they're touting 30% gaming gains over regular 7000 series.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:55 pm to UltimateHog
It's a LOT cheaper though despite being damn near equal in gaming performance.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:02 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
As I said, the 7000 series 3D in January is up to 30% gaming performance gains over the regular new 7000 series.
3D = large gaming gains.
The 3D versions are basically becoming gaming cpus and I think that's what AMD wants going forward.
3D = large gaming gains.
The 3D versions are basically becoming gaming cpus and I think that's what AMD wants going forward.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:19 pm to UltimateHog
They’re holding it back too because Intel hasn’t released the 13900K, and Intel is releasing a 13900KS next year.
Honestly right now the best value CPUs are the 5800X3D and the 12400F/5600.
It took AMD almost 2 years to release cheaper 5000 series CPUs. Intel might have the lower to mid end of the market all to them if they nail the pricing of their 13th gen
Honestly right now the best value CPUs are the 5800X3D and the 12400F/5600.
It took AMD almost 2 years to release cheaper 5000 series CPUs. Intel might have the lower to mid end of the market all to them if they nail the pricing of their 13th gen
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:45 pm to UltimateHog
quote:
As I said, the 7000 series 3D in January is up to 30% gaming performance gains over the regular new 7000 series.
3D = large gaming gains.
The 3D versions are basically becoming gaming cpus and I think that's what AMD wants going forward.
Okay that makes sense because someone told me that the 5800X3D was a limited release and AMD wouldn't do that again.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:47 pm to boXerrumble
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They’re holding it back too because Intel hasn’t released the 13900K, and Intel is releasing a 13900KS next year.
Honestly right now the best value CPUs are the 5800X3D and the 12400F/5600.
It took AMD almost 2 years to release cheaper 5000 series CPUs. Intel might have the lower to mid end of the market all to them if they nail the pricing of their 13th gen
I'm waiting to see if the 13400 will have the same jump over the 12400 that it had over the 11400. Guess I'll be waiting until January though.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:21 am to boXerrumble
Intel's own slides are pretty bad, the 5800X3D beats the 13900K in several titles and tied in a couple in Intel's own chosen benches.
Can only imagine the 7000 series 3D with +30% over the regular 7000 series. Also really shows the power of 3D V Cache even in an early version that isn't full power.
Can only imagine the 7000 series 3D with +30% over the regular 7000 series. Also really shows the power of 3D V Cache even in an early version that isn't full power.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 12:39 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:23 am to UltimateHog
Having the x3D as a tick mark instead of its own bar is extremely clever graphic design, but super fricking scummy from a corporate honesty perspective
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:35 pm to Joshjrn
So Intel keeps comparing the A770 to the 3060. But I'm confused because the A770 hardware-wise is much better.
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