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Posted on 2/4/22 at 9:49 pm to
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 9:49 pm to
Gotta love the epeen rankings, I sure do.

Still would take a 3080ti over it if I had the chance to get either at MSRP
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:58 pm to
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Still would take a 3080ti over it if I had the chance to get either at MSRP



How does the 3080ti stack up to the 6900XT? I know the 3080 was a little behind so I'm assuming the Ti caught up?

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Gotta love the epeen rankings, I sure do


Me too, I miss Coyote bragging about Nvidia having the top performance card. Then when AMD has it he's MIA.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 11:00 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:01 pm to
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And the only chart of those the 6900xt isn't getting smashed on is the original TimeSpy Graphics test.


By another 6900XT? Nvidia doesn't have anything at 6900XT OC performance levels my guy. Step away from the green shades for a few.

It was all over the tech sites the other day.

Single AMD RX 6900 XT Beats Four GTX 1080 Tis to Take 3DMark Record


LINK

LINK

This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 12:36 am
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:12 pm to
Speaking of the vaunted RDNA3 MCM godlike chips, AMD has confirmed they are launching later this year and use 5nm and 6nm nodes. The top 3 models will use both, and the lower tier models will use a single 6nm chip.

LINK

This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 11:16 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 12:32 am to
Also, the steam deck is a big MFer eh?

Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:40 am to
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By another 6900XT? Nvidia doesn't have anything at 6900XT OC performance levels my guy. Step away from the green shades for a few.

It was all over the tech sites the other day.


Dude, Firestrike is an old DirectX11 benchmark. AMD is putting out great cards, and the 3.3 clock is extremely impressive, but the relative performance of cards in that benchmark matters about as much to me as relative Heaven scores at this point
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 7:53 am
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:57 am to
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How does the 3080ti stack up to the 6900XT? I know the 3080 was a little behind so I'm assuming the Ti caught up?


I just checked overall FPS in techpowerup and the 3080ti was closer to the 3090 at 4k
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:41 am to
And just for the sake of ease, for anyone who might come later and is curious what all this Greek is, here is a quick hit page explaining what each 3DMark benchmark does:

LINK

And this is a quick link to the "hall of fame":

LINK

Important note: Every time you switch between lists, it will default back to "all" for number of GPUs. Because SLI is all but dead at this point, make sure you switch that back to 1x every time.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 11:42 am
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:43 am to
Steam deck looks sweet though. I'm still 2Q22 on the wait-list feelsbadman
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:54 am to
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Steam deck looks sweet though. I'm still 2Q22 on the wait-list feelsbadman


I'm not necessarily jumping to buy one, but I am interested to see whether its release prompts Valve to be a bit more aggressive about bringing games to Steam that haven't previously been available.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:38 pm to
Yeah I have no use for it. Handhelds are just not something I use. Much less at 1200x800 resolution.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:40 pm to
More AMD MCM news today: 3x more powerful than 6900XT.

Even the lower end model 7600XT is faster than the 6900XT.

MCM is such a mega game changer.

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AMD’s Radeon RX 7900 XT and 7800 XT series will be the first consumer GPUs to leverage a chiplet or MCM design. Based on the RDNA 3 microarchitecture and fabbed on TSMC’s 5nm+6nm process nodes, these graphics cards are expected to be up to 3x faster than the Radeon RX 6900 XT.

AMD’s Radeon RX 7600 XT is expected to be announced sometime in the third quarter of 2022, followed by the launch in the same quarter. The higher-end RDNA 3 parts should land sometime in the last quarter of the year.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:43 pm to
Idc what your excuse is, that is what the tech sites still use and why every major tech site had that article the other day. Like I said, Nvidia can't compete at that level, AMD OC's too well. I can only imagine if RDNA3 with dual chips still OC's even near 3GHz. Sheeeesh.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted by bluebarracuda
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:52 pm to
I'm excited for it. I've been wanting a good handheld emulator experience so this is perfect. Especially since I'll early be able to flip over to Plex on it or something like that on it
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 6:46 pm to
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Idc what your excuse is, that is what the tech sites still use and why every major tech site had that article the other day. Like I said, Nvidia can't compete at that level, AMD OC's too well. I can only imagine if RDNA3 with dual chips still OC's even near 3GHz. Sheeeesh.


Seriously, what are you talking about? It’s not an excuse. Firestrike was released in 2013 and is built around DirectX11. Timespy was released in 2016 and is built around DirectX12. If I wanted to be cute, I would be trumpeting Port Royal ray tracing scores in which Nvidia embarrasses AMD. AMD does fine in Timespy, and even does better than Nvidia in the 1080p version (standard) with Nvidia topping the charts in the 4k version (extreme).

Saying that Nvidia “can’t compete” with AMD because it performs better on an older feature set is nonsensical. But it’s good clickbait, as your odd aggression on the subject is showing

ETA: To reiterate, the 6900xt dominating the TimeSpy Graphics leaderboard is vastly more impressive than it dominating the Firestrike board: LINK

Nvidia still has TimeSpy Extreme and Port Royal, but the competition is genuinely awesome for the industry. I sincerely don't understand why you're interpreting my posts as though I'm some Nvidia fanboy
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 7:02 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:55 pm to
Firestrike has 3 versions my guy. The one posted from the article is Firestrike Extreme, there is also Firestrike Ultra.

Do you seriously not know this?

The 3 Firestrike versions are still what everyone uses when doing these huge OC tests. Hence all the articles on it from all the tech sites. Timespy is cool, still not what they use or go by though.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 9:57 pm
Posted by finchmeister08
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:59 pm to
i have no idea what y'all are fighting about, but i'm here for it.


Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:01 pm to
He prefers timespy, and for some reason doesn't like that the tech sites and all the OCers still use the 3 Firestrike Versions for all these runs and records.

The DX12 API is still kinda shite so I get why they don't use it as much.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:22 pm to
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He prefers timespy, and for some reason doesn't like that the tech sites and all the OCers still use the 3 Firestrike Versions for all these runs and records.

The DX12 API is still kinda shite so I get why they don't use it as much.


OCers run all of the benchmarks. OGS and biso biso, your two knights in shining armor, also have the top two Port Royal scores with 3090s, and biso is at the top of the Timespy Graphics chart with a 6900xt as well as the top of the TimeSpy Extreme Graphics chart with a 3090. The articles you linked are geeking out over the clock hitting 3.3. The fact that it's topping Firestrike charts is an aside, which is clear from actually reading the articles. Or do you think anyone actually gives a shite that a 6900xt beat Kingpin's two year old x4 1080 SLI Firestrike basic score?

This is seriously one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had on here. I have an AMD cpu and an Nvidia gpu. I don't have loyalty to either of them, and I'm certainly not shilling for them. But pretending as though Firestrike is the "preferred" benchmark of extreme overclockers simply isn't reflective of reality. Hell, a simple google search illustrates that Port Royal scores get exponentially more fanfare than every other gpu benchmark combined.

ETA: I just went and checked the leader boards to see how far down the list I need to get to get to the last ln2 score (while an imperfect metric, I'm defining as where the temperatures goes from a legitimate value to N/A):

Port Royal: 39

Firestrike Ultra: 2
Firestrike Extreme: 14
Firestrike: 2

Timespy Extreme Graphics: 9
Timespy Graphics: 10

ETA2: And again, absolutely fricking none of this is meant to denigrate AMD's gpu offerings. The 6900xt is an absolutely stellar card. My objection is to using a single benchmark, and an older one at that, to try to claim that AMD is blowing Nvidia away, or anything of the sort. It's simply not. But we can absolutely all rejoice in Intel rejoining the land of the living in cpus and AMD finally competing in the gpu space. That's good news for everyone
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 11:04 pm
Posted by Dicky
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:26 pm to
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Joshjrn


Bro every thread I click on, I come across you arguing with someone.

Aggressive little sucker, you are.
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