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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 12/29/20 at 7:38 am to Dixie Normus
Posted on 12/29/20 at 7:38 am to Dixie Normus
I gotta vent now...
I work in Electronics and seeing stuff like MY FCLK WONT REACH 1900 ON MY DDR4-3200 RAM...
Its like you do realize, DDR4-3600 is already overclocked right? DDR4 native frequency is 2133/2400/2666... If you buy a fricking kit that is rated DDR4-3600, its rated to work at the timings advertised by the vendor and nothing more.
You're trying to overclock something more than its already been overclocked, and the vendor doesn't guarantee functionality under those conditions.
And then they go blame the motherboard manufacturer like Asrock, Gigabyte, Asus, etc... Its like god damn, are you people fricking stupid? shite is infuriating
I work in Electronics and seeing stuff like MY FCLK WONT REACH 1900 ON MY DDR4-3200 RAM...
Its like you do realize, DDR4-3600 is already overclocked right? DDR4 native frequency is 2133/2400/2666... If you buy a fricking kit that is rated DDR4-3600, its rated to work at the timings advertised by the vendor and nothing more.
You're trying to overclock something more than its already been overclocked, and the vendor doesn't guarantee functionality under those conditions.
And then they go blame the motherboard manufacturer like Asrock, Gigabyte, Asus, etc... Its like god damn, are you people fricking stupid? shite is infuriating
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Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:04 am to boXerrumble
Is there a point in overclocking RAM? I have a 3800X and 16GB of at least 3000 speed RAM (can’t remember the exact speed) and the website I found to identify desktop bottlenecks showed even with a 3090, my gpu would be the bottleneck (assuming no overclocking). Currently using a 1070 until I can find one of the new cards, so that’s obviously my bottleneck now.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:58 am to Dixie Normus
Sure, to a point.
THe fastest RAM kits (overclocked from the factory) are probably the 3200 CL14 (in terms of price/performance), and the new 4000 CL16 kits (raw performance regardless of price).
I'd say the sweet spot for price/performance is 3600 CL16 which isn't much different from 3200 CL14 (maybe 2-3 FPS).
If you're just gaming, honestly DDR4-3000 is fine.
THe fastest RAM kits (overclocked from the factory) are probably the 3200 CL14 (in terms of price/performance), and the new 4000 CL16 kits (raw performance regardless of price).
I'd say the sweet spot for price/performance is 3600 CL16 which isn't much different from 3200 CL14 (maybe 2-3 FPS).
If you're just gaming, honestly DDR4-3000 is fine.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 9:18 am to boXerrumble
I see a 3070/3080 or 6800XT in my future 
This post was edited on 12/29/20 at 9:20 am
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:24 am to bluebarracuda
The laptop market is a damn warzone.
quote:
today AMD's Ryzen 9 5900H surfaced, packing 8 Zen 3 cores, 16 threads, and a boost clock of 4.64 GHz.
This makes the 5900H a solid 25 percent more powerful in single-threaded applications and about 20 percent more powerful in multi-threaded tasks. This is in-line with the 19% increase in IPC Zen 3 has over Zen 2 at the same TDP, and we would put the higher single-threaded figure down to improvements in the boost algorithm: 4.64 GHz single-core boost is nothing to scoff at even in desktop solutions -- and this is a mobile part.
This post was edited on 12/29/20 at 11:26 am
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:36 am to boXerrumble
quote:
you people fricking stupid?
Yes....... yes I am...... I’m sorry
Posted on 12/29/20 at 12:02 pm to beerJeep
My vitriol isn't directed towards anyone on here 
Theres a giant Gigabyte BETA bios thread on Tweaktown that people are bitching in about Memory (that is already overclocked) not running at faster frequencies and timings on bios' posted by Gigabyte that are BETA BIOS
Theres a giant Gigabyte BETA bios thread on Tweaktown that people are bitching in about Memory (that is already overclocked) not running at faster frequencies and timings on bios' posted by Gigabyte that are BETA BIOS
Posted on 12/29/20 at 2:28 pm to boXerrumble
So Bitcoin is through the roof now and mining on older cards can make a little bit of coin now. Might set my 1070 and 1080 to run 24/7 and my 2080 to run when I'm not gaming.
If you can get a 3080 at MSRP and as long as bitcoin stays high, you could pay it off in 6-7 months mining it 24/7
If you can get a 3080 at MSRP and as long as bitcoin stays high, you could pay it off in 6-7 months mining it 24/7
Posted on 12/29/20 at 2:30 pm to bluebarracuda
Not worth.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 2:37 pm to UltimateHog
Not for me too, but back in the mining craze, that was some hella good ROIs
This post was edited on 12/29/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:07 am to bluebarracuda
If you’re buying a new card for Bitcoin mining, you’re buying a 3060ti not a 3080 fwiw
Posted on 12/30/20 at 12:19 pm to Raz
Well you wouldn't be mining BTC in the first place, but that statement is also not entirely true. Sure the 3060ti has a great price/performance, but it has an extremely similar ROI to the the 3080. Both of them are just shy of 5 months, so if their ROIs are similar, you go with the higher performing card
Posted on 12/30/20 at 12:52 pm to bluebarracuda
I think it’s the superior performance per watt that makes the difference
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:22 am to Raz
Jmurdah is looking to upgrade from his 3770k to something newer, but doesn't want to wait around on 5600x stock. How does this look for him?
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.90 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $418.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-31 10:21 EST-0500
He's going to be re-using his SSD, PSU and has a 3070
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.90 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $418.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-31 10:21 EST-0500
He's going to be re-using his SSD, PSU and has a 3070
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:30 am to bluebarracuda
Dude can't even post his own parts list 
Eta: is he on a strict budget? I would shy away from Asrock (I've had issues with a couple mobos) and find some lower cl ram.
Eta: is he on a strict budget? I would shy away from Asrock (I've had issues with a couple mobos) and find some lower cl ram.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:32 am to Devious
He had picked out a 2700x build at first
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:34 am to bluebarracuda
quote:Dude is all thumbs
He had picked out a 2700x build at first
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:30 am to bluebarracuda
quote:
Jmurdah is looking to upgrade from his 3770k to something newer, but doesn't want to wait around on 5600x stock. How does this look for him?
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.90 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $418.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-31 10:21 EST-0500
He's going to be re-using his SSD, PSU and has a 3070
Any B550 board will handle a Ryzen 5 3600 just fine.
The ASRock B550 boards are actually good quality. The issues were with their Z490 boards.
Only thing here is if he wants to upgrade to an 8 core, 12 core, or a 16 core part down the road. He may want something more beefier for a 5900x for example.
But that board will handle a 3600 without any issue.
He could probably get DDR4-3600 CL16 memory for a few dollars more, but you're talking maybe 2-4 FPS in games for that at most.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:45 am to boXerrumble
quote:
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: Intel Core i5-8500T 2.1 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($0.00)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Shadow Rock LP 51.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($0.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B360 AORUS GAMING 3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($0.00)
Memory: Team Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 CL16 Memory ($0.00)
Storage: Micron 2200 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($0.00)
Storage: HP EX920 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($0.00)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card ($0.00)
Case: Corsair 400C ATX Mid Tower Case ($0.00)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($0.00)
Monitor: Acer XF240H 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($0.00)
Keyboard: Logitech G613 Wireless Standard Keyboard ($0.00)
Mouse: Logitech G703 Wireless Optical Mouse ($0.00)
Headphones: Astro A50 + Base Station PS4 7.1 Channel Headset ($0.00)
Total: $0.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-31 11:41 EST-0500
Got my build parts I'm putting in BR all set. Basically just had to buy the PSU. Most of everything else is hand me downs from my computer or extra parts I had. I got a Z370 board, better ram, and better cooler for my main build to finally OC my 8700k. Here's my main build (bolded is stuff I just bought):
quote:
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $240.00)
CPU Cooler: Rosewill PB240-RGB 35.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (Purchased For $69.99)
Motherboard: ASRock Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Purchased For $98.51)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $84.99)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $106.38)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING AMP Video Card (Purchased For $661.66)
Case: In Win 303C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $20.00)
Power Supply: EVGA P2 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $83.33)
Case Fan: Corsair ML120 PRO 47.3 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $5.00)
Case Fan: Corsair ML120 PRO 47.3 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $5.00)
Case Fan: Corsair ML120 PRO 47.3 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $5.00)
Case Fan: Corsair ML120 PRO 47.3 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $5.00)
Monitor: Dell S2716DGR 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor (Purchased For $225.00)
Monitor: Dell UltraSharp U3419W 34.1" 3440x1440 60 Hz Monitor (Purchased For $215.00)
Mouse: Logitech G703 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Optical Mouse (Purchased For $49.99)
Headphones: AKG K701 Headphones (Purchased For $214.99)
Speakers: Mackie CR3 50 W 2.0 Channel Speakers (Purchased For $59.99)
Mic: Antlion Audio ModMic Uni Attachable Noise-Cancelling Microphone with Mute Switch Compatible with Mac, Windows PC, Playstation 4, Xbox One, and More ($49.95)
Keyboard: Keychron K2 84 Key Bluetooth Wireless Mechanical Keyboard with Gateron Brown Switch (Purchased For $79.99)
AMP/DAC: Schiit Hel High Power Gaming DAC/Amp (Purchased For $169.00)
Total: $2448.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-31 11:45 EST-0500
Next up is a 3070/3080 upgrade and a new main monitor to replace my Dell S2716DGR. I'll also have an extra 2x8gb kit of that vulcan ram and a random 2x4gb Ddr4 set for sale soon, as well as a gtx 1070
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:49 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:28 pm to bluebarracuda
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