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Posted by Greace
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:45 pm to
I didnt say it was the GOAT. I said its a launch console. What launch console hasnt had issues? Didnt the 360 have RRoD on launch? Playstation had the disc ejecting issues right?
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:49 pm to
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trivial things


If it was just the one thing, sure it's trivial, but you gather them all together and it seems like a pointless headache to me. And not because I think it would over complicate my life if I owned one, but I can't fathom why these decisions get made over and over again, and no one can ever give a good reason other than "it's Nintendo".

I know it wasn't a world beater, but I absolutely loved my Gamecube and I was happy with what the GC and N64 offered as far as gaming even though I was still doing a lot of gaming on OG Xbox, PS2, PS3, and 360. The Wii really killed it for me and I've never been able to get back on board, even though I would love to play a lot of the library. I'm a fan. Trust me. I've been hopeful since the Wii that Nintendo would stop catering to the niche market and make a legit machine that could actually function as my sole home console. I want to be able to play Zelda, Mario, Metroid, and Donkey Kong, but also all the other 3rd party franchises I love........and not play a downgraded version of those. Wii U didn't do that, and that's not what the Switch is for. So as an old school nintendo fan, it's frustration that has built up over the years, and I have no clue what's going to get me back on board.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:49 pm to
To pull off the dual portable/home console thing there were always going to be trade offs

The joycon analogs best exemplify this, but there's also battery, graphics, etc.

Some reviewers sounded surprised to discover this what the switch needs to be is a console that does everything well enough or even really well and does that one thing great (switching between dock and portable)

If it does that, Nintendo is going to sell a lot of these
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:51 pm to
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In the grand scheme of things, no, not that big of a headache, but why go that route? Typing in a user name has been an established means for this for such a long time. Why keep it around?



The why is simple, you just don't think it's important enough. Is it THAT bad that Nintendo wants to try and protect kids just a little bit? They MIGHT be oversensitive to it, and they may make kind of a tedious choice for it, but the intention is something we should be ok with.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:53 pm to
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Is it THAT bad that Nintendo wants to try and protect kids just a little bit?


Is this why they went that route?
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 1:58 pm to
Nintendo isn't going for niche, they're going for mass appeal. For people who find the time to game on PC or super powered consoles that dominate the tv...if you want a switch get one, but it's not aimed at you

It's for people who used to game but don't or at least not as much because of their schedules and day to day life. Breesus' post about why he he can't wait for it...that really sums up the mass appeal that Nintendo believes is there (and I think so too)

Graphics aren't as big to me as they were the previous generations and my life is a lot different. When I do play it's because I found some time or did it anyway and felt guilty for ignoring other things and people

Switch solves all of that.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:01 pm to
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I've been hopeful since the Wii that Nintendo would stop catering to the niche market and make a legit machine that could actually function as my sole home console. I want to be able to play Zelda, Mario, Metroid, and Donkey Kong, but also all the other 3rd party franchises I love........and not play a downgraded version of those.


There are only two ways to get to this end:

1) Nintendo goes 3rd party. However, going 3rd party is also what would kill the Nintendo you know and love. The issue with loving all of those games and being an "old school fan" is that they get to that point because they are wild and wacky. Because they have a DIFFERENT approach that can lead to some mindboggling decisions, that's why

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"it's Nintendo".


Is a common retort. Is it a fair one? I don't know. But it makes sense. Nintendo fans aren't saying "It's Nintendo" as a way to downplay the problem or to not think it's a problem. "It's Nintendo," usually means:

"I'll deal with this problem because the end result is polished, high quality, fun and uniquely Nintendo."

Again, it's a unique kind of relationship, and one that can frustrate a lot of people.

2) The other way is for Nintendo to invest money, go all in, shuck part of their identity and make Generic Home Console #3. It's much more of a gamble then people really think. YOU may buy that console, but Nintendo might have market research that says a large majority won't. They have always been super conservative since they have no other business to fall back on like Sony or Microsoft. Yes it makes logical sense, but they've had a similarly powered console TWICE and been crushed - N64 and GC.

And I feel you're a little disjointed in referencing this:

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I was happy with what the GC and N64 offered as far as gaming even though I was still doing a lot of gaming on OG Xbox, PS2, PS3, and 360.


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that could actually function as my sole home console.


So are you ok with two consoles like the GC and 64 years? Or do you want one?

If you want 2 consoles, doesn't it make sense for Nintendo to try and be Everyone's 2nd console, rather than only some people's first console?

Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:03 pm to
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Is this why they went that route?




That's exactly what friend codes are for, yes. They wanted to limit the ability for adults to find kids online. Simple as that.

Now, should it be behind a parental control? That would be ideal, but again, it's a small inconvenience for a good reason.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:03 pm to
With my life now, 1 console is really all I want. If Nintendo could play everything else, more than likely that would be the one I'd own.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:05 pm to
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That's exactly what friend codes are for, yes. They wanted to limit the ability for adults to find kids online. Simple as that.

Now, should it be behind a parental control? That would be ideal, but again, it's a small inconvenience for a good reason.




I guess considering their target market, that would make some sense. But why hasn't anyone else gone that route? Maybe the assumption that younger kids aren't playing their consoles alone, as opposed to a nintendo, where that's probably happening a lot because the parents think "it's a nintendo, whatever".
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:07 pm to
Nintendo switch from the moment we understood the concept was a system of tradeoffs and I mean that as a compliment

battery is good, not great. Graphics are really good not the best though...those two logroll off each other

joycon connected has smaller buttons than a typical controller and the right analog is a little lower and to the right because it has to work as an individual joycon as well

individual joycon the analog is further to the middle of the controller than ideal but it's good enough. if it was ideal the joycon gamepad would be a bizarre mess

some stuff is because they had an ambitious release and couldn't have it ready for release (video streaming, web app, virtual console)

but it does that one fricking thing so smooth and great according to anyone who has put their hands on it...instantaneously switches
Posted by LesGeaux45
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:08 pm to
SHIPPED BABY
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:09 pm to
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If Nintendo could play everything else, more than likely that would be the one I'd own
the larger group of consumers Nintendo believes is out there doesn't play those games.

i'm somewhere in between, but I have to say that zero dawn game is gorgeous, and I have no desire to play it. it's so real that I actually feel a sense of revulsion and it's probably got a steep learning curve...there are some games I want to play that are large and complex, but consoles don't have the pick up and play appeal anymore
Posted by DieDaily
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 2:15 pm to
I hate Nintendo's online strategy but I guess I get the decision. I have a non-gamer friend who told me that he loves the whole friend code thing and how cumbersome it is. He likes being able to buy his kids the latest Nintendo console and just give it to them without having to worry about some pedophile contacting his kids through it. And if they want to connect to a friend, it will likely be someone they know in person (and therefore he'll probably also know them or their parents).

I also have kids but I set up parental controls on my systems and services. I don't mind it. Apparently he does. I suspect other parents are of a similar mind and Nintendo is doing a little of the parenting work for them by going that route. However, Nintendo shouldn't expect their online offerings to be taken as seriously compared to their competitors as long as they continue this approach.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 3:26 pm to
from what retailer? amazon still says "preparing to ship" for me but still says it will arrive tomorrow

Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 4:49 pm to
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With my life now, 1 console is really all I want. If Nintendo could play everything else, more than likely that would be the one I'd own.





That's fair for sure. Let's look at the last three generations in terms of "Full Powered Console, Core Gamers":

PS2 (157 Million) + XBOX (24 Million) + GC (21 Million) = 202 Million
PS3 (86 Million) + X360 (85 Million) = 170 Million
PS4 (54 Million) + X1 (28 Million) = 82 Million

Notes: PS4 includes PS Pro, I do not include Wii and Wii U as they were not similarly powered consoles with "Core Gamer, Single Console" Libraries, Obviously this generation is not over.

That above is why Nintendo isn't trying to compete. There's a 1) Shrinking Console Gamer Crowd (even the trend shows this gen won't hit 170 unless the scorpio is massively successful) 2) Even IF they entered AND succeed to the equal of others, you'd ONLY be splitting the total into thirds while driving away non-core gamers with a much higher price and approachability.

That is why they "go after" a different market and they don't build to that above spec.

The gamble is that you'd build a good enough system to sell to 70-80% of a market space. That is TOUGH when you have a big media hump to get over, and a focus that often doesn't jive with most core gamers anyway. Would you trust any company to hit that mark with a big shift in philosophy?

Or do you think that 70-80% of the Core Gamer market just wants "One system to play third party games and Nintendo games" because that's essentially what would have to be true for Nintendo to make a competent decision. Would 70-80% of gamers give up their Halos, Unchartereds, Last of Us's for Nintendo games?
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 4:51 pm to
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I didnt say it was the GOAT. I said its a launch console. What launch console hasnt had issues? Didnt the 360 have RRoD on launch? Playstation had the disc ejecting issues right?


The early PS3 BD drives were big fat pieces of shite. Mine broke 3 times.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/2/17 at 4:51 pm to
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I hate Nintendo's online strategy but I guess I get the decision. I have a non-gamer friend who told me that he loves the whole friend code thing and how cumbersome it is. He likes being able to buy his kids the latest Nintendo console and just give it to them without having to worry about some pedophile contacting his kids through it. And if they want to connect to a friend, it will likely be someone they know in person (and therefore he'll probably also know them or their parents).


And there you go. Doesn't make it ok, but that's exactly the reason.
This post was edited on 3/2/17 at 4:59 pm
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