re: Military FPS Games Need New Blood

They way you were describing ammo sharing and weapon pick ups sounded that way. I was actually confused on the weapon pick ups because IRL I would pick up an extra gun in a battle and stow that if I needed the firepower.
I think military FPS have done all they can for the most part. BF probably had the most coordinated defend/attack game modes of the new FPS generation if you wanted realistic team coordination. Where they failed IMO is the limitations on squad communication. The problem you will have is you'll never get a group of civilians to play with authentic military tactics because we all want to be the heli flying, Rambo hero that saves the day and finished on top of the leader board.

Honestly BF4 has the best overall platform for what "could" happen. If they added and tweaked a few things it could be perfect.
A GRFS / BF4 hybrid would be awesome.

Well, here was my vision. The game I see isn't a large scale game. It's a game with maybe 8-10 player teams. I like maps that are big for that player count, but I like progressive maps like how that worked in Homefront. The map changed locations of bomb sites based on who was successful at defending or destroying them. The maps were in a way dynamic in that the first set of bomb sites or capture points were in some hills, then after being destroyed, everyone progressed down the slopes and into a farm area, etc.

And as far as the ammo stuff, I was kind of looking for something a little more than running over a gun and magically getting ammo. I guess you're right. You'd just pick up the rifle and put it on your back. That's not a bad solution at all.

I know getting civilians to play like military personnel isn't going to happen and that's not really what I'm saying has to happen. But I think the game can be tailored in a way in which your "streaks" aren't individually glorious, but benefit the team effort. Like Warfighter. But only better and making more sense. And rewarding.

I'm not looking for civilians to play like a real DEVGRU unit, that will never happen.

And the overall point I was trying to make was that the game should be built around the gun and how it feels to fire and make contact. Real guns, real attachments, real names (if possible), etc.

Have you ever felt a gun?

This is totally why I went PC away from consoles. ARMA really does answer all of this if this is what he is wanting.

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"Radio Chatter" IRL war will get you janitor duty. So you don't have actual squad leaders directing subordinates who will willingly follow orders with out need of a lot of communication. Then those leaders can't coordinate with other squad leaders like air support or heavy weapons munitions to take a specific objective.

The problem you will have is you'll never get a group of civilians to play with authentic military tactics because we all want to be the heli flying, Rambo hero that saves the day and finished on top of the leader board.

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If you are grunt and start talking while your squad leader is communicating with command, you will get told off or run out of the squad. They play to that level of realism because you aren't playing with a bunch of 13 year olds running around yelling racial slurs.

People are dedicated to their roles in this. If you are a pilot, you will be a damn good one, this may end up meaning you are just a Mohawk transport pilot bringing the squads to their landing sites and going back to base to bring in reinforcements. Stuff like snipers going Rambo won't happen because sniper teams will stay a click or more back. People will have one role and be totally devoted to that role.

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Well, here was my vision. The game I see isn't a large scale game. It's a game with maybe 8-10 player teams. I like maps that are big for that player count, but I like progressive maps like how that worked in Homefront. The map changed locations of bomb sites based on who was successful at defending or destroying them. The maps were in a way dynamic in that the first set of bomb sites or capture points were in some hills, then after being destroyed, everyone progressed down the slopes and into a farm area, etc.

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You would love ARMA. People are constantly making new missions with different objectives. Altis is a massive freakin map that allows a bunch of different objectives. Heck, you can even get into making your own missions even if you play by yourself. The AI will be much more of a challenge than you can imagine and their tactics are solid.

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I know getting civilians to play like military personnel isn't going to happen and that's not really what I'm saying has to happen. But I think the game can be tailored in a way in which your "streaks" aren't individually glorious, but benefit the team effort. Like Warfighter. But only better and making more sense. And rewarding.

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If you play with adults, you can play more like military personnel if that is what you are seeking.

If they make ARMA on a Xbone , Im in.

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Absolutely.

But isn't the big selling point of ARMA the mods? So people can make their zombie mods or survival mods or whatever they like?

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That's absolutely where ARMA gets it's community and probably why we will never see it go console. The community that plays it religiously is very mod oriented. They like building the game to suit their needs. Clans/squads build their own training maps/scenarios/missions to do what type of gameplay they want to play.