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re: Lost Ark
Posted on 2/16/22 at 2:51 am to Greace
Posted on 2/16/22 at 2:51 am to Greace
Got through Morai Ruins on hard . I think this game excels in the dungeon setting. Pretty fun.
Figuring out what skills are good and respeccing points and keybinds around to make life easier . Stayed with gunslinger so I either open with a rifle shot if not getting charged or somersault in then handgun AoE and shotgun AoE to clean up. Very satisfying . Think Im lvl 21 so I took points out of the noob abilities and pumped up my later lvl skills. Big difference
The world itself is kind of bland and not very intriguing . Not very tempted to explore or go out of my way for Moroko seeds . Questing isn’t great but it’s easy enough so that’s good and bad .
I’ll keep playing it . Some nice features and fun gameplay for a free game . Decent enough story . Nice music and art .
Figuring out what skills are good and respeccing points and keybinds around to make life easier . Stayed with gunslinger so I either open with a rifle shot if not getting charged or somersault in then handgun AoE and shotgun AoE to clean up. Very satisfying . Think Im lvl 21 so I took points out of the noob abilities and pumped up my later lvl skills. Big difference
The world itself is kind of bland and not very intriguing . Not very tempted to explore or go out of my way for Moroko seeds . Questing isn’t great but it’s easy enough so that’s good and bad .
I’ll keep playing it . Some nice features and fun gameplay for a free game . Decent enough story . Nice music and art .
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:27 am to jefforize
I may need to change up points. I've been pumping my starting skills rather than expanding to new ones. I'm about where you are. Just did the ruins also.
Ran into the Salt Giant and killed him with a bunch of folks. That was pretty fun
Ran into the Salt Giant and killed him with a bunch of folks. That was pretty fun
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:28 am to HailToTheChiz
I do like how easily you can change your skill point allotment. A lot of MMOs are greedy and once you put points into them, they're set and you have to pay real money to reset. LA is much more beginner friendly in that sense. No googling guides beforehand to make sure you're not torpedoing your character build.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:43 am to Ingeniero
Yeah I really like that aspect. It's hard to tell what skills are actually better. I've been solely basing my choices on the damage output but that may be poor
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:28 am to jefforize
You'll love the siege quest coming up soon.
I liked the game but the energy system is arse for gathering. Simply too restrictive.
I liked the game but the energy system is arse for gathering. Simply too restrictive.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:04 am to Drewbie
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Pay2Win is just as easily applied to skipping content as you're saving yourself the sometimes hundreds of hours required to reach the same game state as the other player. FF you can straight up just skip all of your leveling, job, and MAIN STORY quests. You're literally paying to have the game level your character up for you and complete the game quicker. Trying to mental gymnastics that into "it's not pay2win" is next level denial. It's pay2win in WoW, it's pay2win in FF, it's pay2win in every MMO that offers you the ability to pay to not play their game. It's literally paying so you have to do less than everyone else for the same rewards.
These are story quests. It's more akin to paying for Sparknotes or skipping to current book in a series than paying to win. I don't like that you can do that, but only because people are missing out on great story. Not because it's paying to win
There is no competitive advantage gained outside of intial saved time. That is not what "pay to win" means.
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So paying to skip 100's of hours of grinding isn't an advantage? GTFO with that.
It's not grinding. It's literally story quests. It's more akin to skipping ahead to the most current release of a book or television series.
ETA: I see from later posts, you aren't really going after FF14 as much. Oh well.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 2/16/22 at 12:04 pm to oauron
Wonder what has a more divided definition:
Pay to win or sandbox.
To me; anything that gives an advantage is p2w. Story skip and level skip, not as much when later xpacs are released. But would be p2w AF if at launch.
Ask everybody here and you will have at least 10 different definitions.
Pay to win or sandbox.
To me; anything that gives an advantage is p2w. Story skip and level skip, not as much when later xpacs are released. But would be p2w AF if at launch.
Ask everybody here and you will have at least 10 different definitions.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 2/16/22 at 12:35 pm to hoojy
Paying to advance characters to near max level in any game is ultimately a cop out so the developers don't have to update the leveling experience, or where it is intentionally made not fun to where people are motivated to buy a boost.
Pay to win is at its absolute worst when there is an uncapped amount of money you can spend on a game that continues to give you an advantage over investing time. It's unbelievable to me that we have reduced our definitions of pay to win for Lost Ark just to be able to justify playing it. Not saying us, but mainly streamers. There are a ton of streamers out there right now that are hinging their entire careers on this game working out. You won't hear them say anything negative about the cash shop right now, hell they are probably sponsored and paid to not say anything.
This game will not have sustained success in NA. I would expect the numbers to settle out around 100k max. So many people have not gotten to the real grind of this game yet. When people get to tier 2 or 3 and realize that all those alts they were hoping to be able to play are going to be capped around tier 1 because they don't have enough time to advance all of them further, there will be a swift shift in attitude towards this game.
Lost Ark is just this mythical creature that has slipped by the west for so long that people still can't believe it's here
Pay to win is at its absolute worst when there is an uncapped amount of money you can spend on a game that continues to give you an advantage over investing time. It's unbelievable to me that we have reduced our definitions of pay to win for Lost Ark just to be able to justify playing it. Not saying us, but mainly streamers. There are a ton of streamers out there right now that are hinging their entire careers on this game working out. You won't hear them say anything negative about the cash shop right now, hell they are probably sponsored and paid to not say anything.
This game will not have sustained success in NA. I would expect the numbers to settle out around 100k max. So many people have not gotten to the real grind of this game yet. When people get to tier 2 or 3 and realize that all those alts they were hoping to be able to play are going to be capped around tier 1 because they don't have enough time to advance all of them further, there will be a swift shift in attitude towards this game.
Lost Ark is just this mythical creature that has slipped by the west for so long that people still can't believe it's here
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/16/22 at 12:40 pm to DrSteveBrule
Ya, I'm not defending LA. It's def p2w to me. The energy thing settled it for me. You, of course, can buy energy potions on the cash shop.
Would have been acceptable if the sub gave a much higher regen rate.
There's acceptable p2w and p2w that's not acceptable.
Would have been acceptable if the sub gave a much higher regen rate.
There's acceptable p2w and p2w that's not acceptable.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:21 pm to hoojy
So basically....
Levels 1-50 are easy mode and basically a tutorial
Level 50 end game is the real grind and game play
Am I understanding that?
Levels 1-50 are easy mode and basically a tutorial
Level 50 end game is the real grind and game play
Am I understanding that?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:29 pm to DrSteveBrule
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Lost Ark is just this mythical creature that has slipped by the west for so long that people still can't believe it's here
Big words for a mobile MMO that’s been out for a week.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:30 pm to HailToTheChiz
That's what I've read.
I made it to 30ish and said frick it.
A grind isn't a bad thing tho. The game pissed me off when it decided to put how much I could behind a paywall.
I made it to 30ish and said frick it.
A grind isn't a bad thing tho. The game pissed me off when it decided to put how much I could behind a paywall.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:44 pm to hoojy
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Ask everybody here and you will have at least 10 different definitions
This is certainly true. Expectations have changed a ton to what is acceptable.
As for Lost Ark, I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it. It got some pay2win elements in it, but I don't really care if I'm not top 1% DPS in raids and dungeons. If I can clear current content without spending any money and the game is still fun to play, I think I'll keep going. The doomsday scenarios that people are yelling about paying to win have more to do with +25 gear enhancements which no one should really want to do, because it's a poor use of resources for little to no return (this is what is referenced in the video Asmon reacted to recently).
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:53 pm to oauron
Ya, I would def go until you stop having fun.
From what I've read, you can still do everything when being completely f2p. It just takes until later in the raid season when it's getting ready to be replaced(tier gear).
So you can do everything, you just won't be able to be on the cutting edge or anything.
From what I've read, you can still do everything when being completely f2p. It just takes until later in the raid season when it's getting ready to be replaced(tier gear).
So you can do everything, you just won't be able to be on the cutting edge or anything.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/18/22 at 2:17 pm to jefforize
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Gunslinger has a vayne Q “tumble” like ability on Handgun E as well
Probably my least favorite ability on that class/character.
The shot gun is ridiculously satisfying. Every ability with it is pleasing in both aesthetic and sound. Not to mention the satisfaction of cutting large groups in half with one blast.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 12:26 am to hoojy
Finally made the decision in uninstall the game. Got through Tier 1 thinking I wouldn't have to do any more of the boring arse leveling. Get to Tier 2, more story, more boring quests, more boring corridors. I just want to play the actual game, I don't understand why I have to go through this rite of passage of boredom to get there.
How are people getting to Tier 3? I can't stay awake.
How are people getting to Tier 3? I can't stay awake.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 9:19 am to DrSteveBrule
I just got level 30 I think and got my stronghold
Like there is an overwhelming amount of stuff to waste your time with
Like there is an overwhelming amount of stuff to waste your time with
Posted on 2/19/22 at 6:40 pm to HailToTheChiz
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I just got level 30 I think and got my stronghold
Like there is an overwhelming amount of stuff to waste your time with
Was just coming here to post the same thing.
The siege mission was one of the best video game levels I've played in a long time. I can't remember which game it reminded me of, but it was a very well done siege scene.
The amount of systems are overwhelming and might be what make me hang it up. Skills, tripods, awakenings, engravings, strongholds, all the gear attributes, skills like foraging and fishing, the list goes on. I don't know to what degree all of it is actually relevant but if you have to keep up with all that on top of doing your endgame raids, it's too much.
I'll at least play it through 50 to get a taste of endgame
Posted on 2/19/22 at 7:56 pm to Ingeniero
Same. It almost feels like TOO much
Posted on 2/19/22 at 9:51 pm to HailToTheChiz
My bigger problem than the systems is all the currencies and materials. There are so many to keep track of.
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