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re: Liberalism/Woke-ism has reached the PC hardware branch of gaming the community...
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:38 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:38 am to finchmeister08
Nothing liberal or woke about these pcs or their hardware from what I can see. They are just the same as they have always been.
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:27 am to sgallo3
Look to the sky kids! It’s Captain Obtuse!
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:10 am to sgallo3
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Nothing liberal or woke about these pcs or their hardware from what I can see.
you're not wrong.
i think it has more to do with the laws keeping them from being shipped to the states listed on the site page. but i'm an idiot so what do i know?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:53 am to Joshjrn
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Did a little research, and the issue isn't that they are too powerful. It's that those states ban new products that engage in "stand by power leech".
Obviously governmental overreach, but products that are energy vampires are lame.
That's laughable, considering a state like California not only pushes for electric vehicles over gas powered, but also is the hub for filming movies, which have tons of high powered computers that eat up the electric grid way more than your average joe does. All of this crap is hypocritical as hell.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:03 am to ElRoos
So, again, I'm not defending the regulation. I think it's silly. But also again, as a point of clarification, this isn't limiting power draw. It's saying that products can't pull power for no reason when they aren't in use.
The pc sitting on my desk next to me is significantly more powerful than the pcs on that page, yet I'm fairly sure I could ship it to any of the states listed.
The pc sitting on my desk next to me is significantly more powerful than the pcs on that page, yet I'm fairly sure I could ship it to any of the states listed.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:24 am to finchmeister08
Haha these are becoming 3rd world states.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:44 pm to Joshjrn
Ok, this is amusing:
The reason those computers can't be shipped are (in short) *because* they have such underpowered PSUs. If the computer had at least a 600w PSU, it would have been exempt. fricking Alienware
The reason those computers can't be shipped are (in short) *because* they have such underpowered PSUs. If the computer had at least a 600w PSU, it would have been exempt. fricking Alienware
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:46 pm to Joshjrn
i live in Denver and no shite, just got my Skytech in on the 11th. not sure what PSUs are or if my pc wouldve been affected by this retarded virtue signaling law but i wasnt even aware of it.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:12 pm to FourThreeForty
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just can’t realize these corporate entities only put in these characters in media and pander to regulations and rebrand themselves because of the money.
I agree but these states’ regulations, not the company, are preventing these items from being shipped there.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:53 pm to jiffyjohnson
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i live in Denver and no shite, just got my Skytech in on the 11th. not sure what PSUs are or if my pc wouldve been affected by this retarded virtue signaling law but i wasnt even aware of it.
Power Supply Unit. It converts and cleans up the power that comes from your wall so the varying components inside of your computer can draw on it without frying themselves.
You know that brick on a laptop's power cable? That's basically a really small, really low powered version. The one in my pc looks like this:
Posted on 7/28/21 at 6:15 pm to finchmeister08
Seriously, I swear people need to do SOME research before screaming at the sky.
No, gaming PCs are not banned in California
No, gaming PCs are not banned in California
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You may have seen the clickbait floating around claiming that California is "banning gaming PCs." Many of these articles point to Dell refusing to sell particular Alienware systems to California and other states due to new regulations. However, the reports of the death of gaming PCs in Cali are greatly exaggerated.
Before we all panic and start hoarding gaming PCs like we are crypto miners, there are a few important things to understand about the new Title 20 energy efficiency regulations that should put most gamer's minds at ease:
The regulations only apply to prebuilds from systems integrators (SIs), not custom builds
The regulations only apply when your computer isn’t active, so while it's sleeping or idle
The efficiency calculations take into account expandability, so they can end up favoring larger PCs over smaller builds
“They are not targeting gamers specifically, they are targeting gluttons,” JayzTwoCents explained in his very helpful video on this topic, where he explained the regulations.
So rest assured, California is not banning gaming PCs. That said, they are instituting some new energy efficiency specifications that may block the sale of certain prebuilt PCs that don’t comply with the new energy efficiency requirements.
The regulations in question were put into planned effect in 2016. The standards are being phased in over the course of five years, with each year a new class of devices being added to the list. The newest wave of effective regulations activated on July 1st, affecting desktop computers, thin clients, and mobile gaming systems. California is also joined by Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, and Vermont in instituting the new energy standards.
As stated above, these regulations will only affect residents of California and the other states if they are buying from a Systems Integrator like Alienware, Origin, IBuyPower, etc., who have contracts with hardware manufacturers and make gaming systems for people. If you are building your own custom PC, these regulations will not affect you.
Which PCs will be illegal to sell in California?
According to the California government, in order for a prebuilt desktop computer to be legal to sell in California it must consume less than the following kilowatt-hours per year when not in active mode:
You will notice that different levels of PC have different allowed power budgets. This is based on a complicated expandability score that takes into account a PC's ability to add things like more graphics cards or more RAM.
"The 'expandability score' is designed to give bigger PCs that draw more power a bigger budget,
so if anything a big gaming tower would be easier to purchase under new regs than a small one,
which is backwards for sure," explained Tyler Humphries, a Security Analyst and PC gaming buff.
"[The regulators] are trying to take into account the expandability and total power draw of a computer when it's fully kitted out, which is a good thing, they just went about it in a very weird way because they probably didn't even know small form factor PCs exist."
There are some exceptions to the efficiency rules as well, mostly focused on business applications. Small servers that are always on and “high expandability computers” can both be certified under the new regulations.
A high expandability PC is defined by having a 600 watts or greater power supply, and either a discrete GPU with a frame buffer bandwidth of 600 gigabytes per second or greater or a total of 8 gigabytes of RAM with a bandwidth of 632 GB/s and an integrated GPU. So some of the most powerful PC gaming rigs might qualify for that exemption straight up.
The ultimate impact of these regulations should be more power-efficient prebuilds, where SIs can at least some of their builds to be legal for sale in the affected states. So even if there are some growing pains in the short term, with older models not meeting efficiency specs, in the long run, these regulations are probably a good thing.
And for the DIYer’s out there, you will be unaffected by the new regulations. Build your super-powered gaming PCs to your heart's content.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 6:19 pm to skrayper
But if people did research before sky screaming, it means they would very rarely get to scream at the sky, which would make them sad
Posted on 7/28/21 at 6:20 pm to skrayper
quote:It is still a completely irrational stance from the state that is going to mandate all of their citizens have an electric vehicle.
Seriously, I swear people need to do SOME research before screaming at the sky.
It’s asinine and irrational.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 6:26 pm to Scruffy
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It is still a completely irrational stance from the state that is going to mandate all of their citizens have an electric vehicle.
It’s asinine and irrational.
Whether it's asinine, I'll leave to others, but it's not irrational. This regulation, in no way, limits the total power draw of computers. What it limits is how much power they can pull when they aren't in operation. Considering they are looking to increase total draw on the grid via electric vehicles, etc, it is 100% rational for them to try to reduce "wasteful" power draw.
Again, I'm passing no value judgment on whether this regulation is a good idea. But it's not irrational.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 7/28/21 at 6:30 pm to Joshjrn
They should increase production rather than do things like this which will have little to no impact.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 6:42 pm to Scruffy
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They should increase production rather than do things like this which will have little to no impact.
While I agree they should increase capacity, I have absolutely no idea what impact this will have. California has a population for 40M people. That's a lot of devices. The impact could be larger than we might think.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:06 pm to finchmeister08
Was about to say that it has been in gaming for over a decade now but realized you were specially talking hardware. This must have been recent because I ordered an Aurora R10 back in February and did not see that message.
disclaimer: I normally build my own but gpu prices were so bad that buying a pre-built was cheaper
disclaimer: I normally build my own but gpu prices were so bad that buying a pre-built was cheaper
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:19 am to Richard Dangler
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Was about to say that it has been in gaming for over a decade now but realized you were specially talking hardware. This must have been recent because I ordered an Aurora R10 back in February and did not see that message.
disclaimer: I normally build my own but gpu prices were so bad that buying a pre-built was cheaper
Without going back to double check, I want to say the Tier II regs went live July 1.
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