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re: Japanese people are targeting the historian Ubisoft relied on for their black samurai

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Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 8:32 am to
Bluesky thread compilation of reviews from major Japanese outlets

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dengeki:
- some historical facts are wrong, but not immersion breaking. may bug history buffs.
- yasuke's journey in becoming a samurai + after is convincing.
- naoe feels like the main protag.
- considerate portrayals of japanese historical figures.


quote:

game watch
- naoe embodies the feeling of an assassin's creed protagonist
- yasuke is a window into more complex relationships with historical figures like nobunaga
- very clear this is a work of historical fiction
- great relationship between protags


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4gamer
- not enough experience gain from fighting "minor" enemies
- some poorly designed encounters, because of this, favored naoe
- impressive open world + attention to detail
- yasuke would have been better as an original character. is a good character nonetheless.


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gamer
- beautiful recreation of the warring states period
- exploration is a major highlight
- naoe is more of a traditional experience, yasuke leans more into assassin's creed odyssey style gameplay
- excellent story
Posted by hg
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 8:55 am to
You would be on Bluesky lol
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:16 am to
I will say that from everything I've read so far, nobody is really giving two shits about a black samurai. So I'm curious what Grummz, and others cheering for this game to fail, are going to grasp on to now.

Maybe more screen shots of watermelons.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 9:16 am
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:11 am to
I mean, even Matty that doesn't get into that type of stuff says in his review that Yasuke feels like he's stapled onto the game
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:00 am to
I think Yasuke was always meant to be a "secondary" character, even though you can play a large portion of the game with him. Ubisoft has a history of this, they intially want to lean in on a female protagonist but eventually crater and tack on either a male version of it or do the Odyssey thing of brother and sister. The voice acting for Alexios and male Evior were pretty bad compared to Kassandra and the female version.

I have to wait to play it before I can say for certain one way or the other. Again, Matty went with "more of the same", and like I said earlier, I'm always skeptical of that viewpoint with these games.

Will hopefully play tonight, so we'll see.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:26 am to
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Matty went with "more of the same"


This is why I've been so disillusioned with Ubisoft for awhile now.

You and I have talked about this a good amount on here but their games are always like a 7.5 out of 10 for me. Beautiful looking and not bad as a whole, but UI heavy and not really worth the time for a kinda hollow open world.

Every game has radiant quests but Ubisoft's just feel too plain. If I'm going to sink that much time, I'm going for a Bethesda game with a heavily built out world.
Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:31 am to
quote:

I think Yasuke was always meant to be a "secondary" character, even though you can play a large portion of the game with him. Ubisoft has a history of this, they intially want to lean in on a female protagonist but eventually crater and tack on either a male version of it or do the Odyssey thing of brother and sister. The voice acting for Alexios and male Evior were pretty bad compared to Kassandra and the female version.


Male/Female version of the same character is the way to go.

Split protagonists tends to water down the story or at least it did with Syndicate.

Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:31 am to
I'll be the first to admit, I get the complaints about Ubisoft and Bethesda games. They just always click with me and I enjoy the crap out of them.


Origins

Odyssey

Valhalla

Mirage

Far Cry 3

Far Cry 4

Far Cry 5

Far Cry 6

The Division

The Division 2

Just getting into Outlaws



I made this list a few weeks ago, games I've sunk so many hours into. Whatever their shortcomings, for me personally, I have a lot of fun with them, and that's really my only criteria for playing a game. I really have no clue what the main story for The Division 2 is, I know they want you to know, but I would fail a test on it. But it's a blast to play.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:33 am to
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Split protagonists tends to water down the story or at least it did with Syndicate.


I think if you give each one unique and interesting things to do in their part of the story, it can work. If you tacked it on because you didn't think people would like playing solely as Evie, it's going to suffer.

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Male/Female version of the same character is the way to go.


I do like that option. I went back and forth with Evior but ultimately couldn't stand the male version. He seemed like a runt and I had a hard time seeing him as this imposing Viking figure.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 11:35 am
Posted by JetsetNuggs
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 11:37 am to
For all of Bethesda’s faults, they’re leagues ahead off Ubisoft in terms of depth
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:03 pm to
I liked Origins. I couldn't get through Odyssey and had no interest in more Ubisoft from that point. I like big games. I've completed ALL question marks in The Witcher 3, three times. I like big beefy CRPGs that take 150 hours but when it comes to the Ubisoft 8 million places of interest on a giant map, my eyes glaze over in boredom.

I got so bored by Odyssey, I won't play another Ubisoft game until everyone screams from the rooftops that their new game is a 10. So never.

That's just me. If you love. Great. I don't care enough about the game to get too fired up about the alleged woke main characters other than I am not a huge fan of switching back and forth. I tend to like to play one character but I can live with the switching.

In summary, I just don't like the Ubisoft game style anymore. The story is never compelling enough to offset the grind. They typically make solid games but this time they almost pushed a game full of glitches. The gameplay footage looked terrible last year but it appears the extra time helped them fix it.
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:05 pm to
fair
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

I liked Origins. I couldn't get through Odyssey


Why didn't you like Odyssey?
Posted by hg
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by hg
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by JetsetNuggs
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:13 pm to
There’s a them pronoun in the mission UI too when it should clearly say he or she
Posted by hg
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:25 pm to
1500s Japan was way ahead of the times.
Posted by finchmeister08
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 2:48 pm to
someone, please tell me they get naked.... i might buy it then...


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Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 5:22 pm to
Shadows is such an affront to the Japanese that their prime minister brought it up before their parliament.

Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 5:30 pm to
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Shadows is such an affront to the Japanese that their prime minister brought it up before their parliament.



LINK

He didn't bring it up, he was asked about it.

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The Assassin’s Creed Shadows question was asked by Japanese politician and member of the House of Councillors of Japan, Hiroyuki Kada. Kada, who will campaign for re-election this summer, said:

“I fear that allowing players to attack and destroy real-world locations in the game without permission could encourage similar behavior in real life. Shrine officials and local residents are also worried about this. Of course, freedom of expression must be respected, but acts that demean local cultures should be avoided.”

Prime Minister Ishiba responded:

“How to address this legally is something we need to discuss with the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science, and Technology, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

“Defacing a shrine is out of the question - it is an insult to the nation itself. When the Self-Defense Forces were deployed to Samawah, Iraq, we ensured they studied Islamic customs beforehand. Respecting the culture and religion of a country is fundamental, and we must make it clear that we will not simply accept acts that disregard them.”


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Those are accurate translations of the exchange, but what’s the context surrounding them? Our colleagues at IGN Japan helped us understand the situation.

What needs to be understood here is that Japan has seen record numbers of overseas visitors in the wake of the country reopening its borders after the pandemic and the lure of the weak yen. In this government budget meeting the politician Hiroyuki Kada twinned his complaints against Shadows with the controversial subject of what he called “over tourism” and an attendant perceived rise in vandalism and graffiti in Japan.

His argument is that if players are able to deface a temple or harm individuals with a katana in the game, they may be inspired to do it in real life when they visit Japan, similar to the age-old argument that Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto inspire copycat violence.

Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba responded that if such actions were taken in real life, he would oppose them, but the “if” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. His comments were aimed at theoretical real-life copycat actions rather than at the game itself.

The shrine being defaced in Shadows gameplay videos online is Itatehyozu Shrine in Himeji, Hyogo Prefecture, which is within Kada’s constituency. He said that he has consulted with representatives of the shrine who say that Ubisoft did not seek their permission to show the shrine and use its name in the game.

While Masaki Ogushi (Vice Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry) responded that government agencies will work together to handle matters “if the shrine seeks consultation,”, that again is a big if, and anyway, in a work of artistic expression Ubisoft would probably be clear legally to use the shrine anyway under the Constitution of Japan.

Responses from both ministers were vague at best and seem unlikely to result in any particular action, especially as Ubisoft appears to have addressed these concerns proactively with a day-one patch – showing they may be more sensitive to the feelings of Japanese citizens than Kada gave them credit for.
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