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re: You ave 11 taps to fill
Posted on 2/26/13 at 8:08 pm to John McClane
Posted on 2/26/13 at 8:08 pm to John McClane
didnt say it was the end all be all. of course some bars will work without it.
happys also benefits from having their servers wear pretty much nothing and a prime location for the bar.
happys also benefits from having their servers wear pretty much nothing and a prime location for the bar.
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 8:09 pm to LSUAfro
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They are leaving lost revenues on the table.
for sure.
but their other 8 other places can pickup the slack
Posted on 2/26/13 at 8:14 pm to LSUAfro
I agree. Jones has a great list
Posted on 2/26/13 at 8:23 pm to Deactived
In dallas:
Lagunitas rotator
Live Oak Hefe (even though i'd prefer warhenstephaner?
Jester King rotator
Old Raspy Nitro
Avery demon series rotator
Real Ale Mysterium Verum rotator
NB Lips of Faith rotator
Lagunitas rotator
Live Oak Hefe (even though i'd prefer warhenstephaner?
Jester King rotator
Old Raspy Nitro
Avery demon series rotator
Real Ale Mysterium Verum rotator
NB Lips of Faith rotator
Posted on 2/26/13 at 8:25 pm to Deactived
Jones rest list, you may have your wish real soon. So do I have to wipe your arse with money?
What's BMC
What's BMC
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 8:25 pm to John McClane
Taps that are BMC net less than craft taps. Plus with all high end or craft taps you upgrade the clientele. I don't know why everyone thinks you have to have BMC on tap. When you do the profit math per keg, seems like a dumb decision. Also you can always carry bottles of BMC.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:22 pm to WizardSleeve
It's not necessarily about profiit margins. More to consider. And I'm really not sure as a whole, craft brews, provide a higher gross margin over most BMC. Blue moon, for example, generally provides great margins for many restaurants.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:24 pm to LSUAfro
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Jones pretty much nailed an 11 tap list for most places...anywhere.
well i hope so he probably has more experience than anyone drinking tap beer at bars
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:26 pm to LSUzealot
Experience trumps education often .
.Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:27 pm to WizardSleeve
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Taps that are BMC net less than craft taps.
not when the majority of the people are dinking from the big 3
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Plus with all high end or craft taps you upgrade the clientele.
not really. best beer bars in BR are the cove, bulldog, chimes, and maybe the port. i wouldnt exactly call the clientele upscale or high end, especially the port and the cove
the cove has more beer and liquor than anywhere in the state and the clientele is dominated by service industry people.
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Also you can always carry bottles of BMC.
why? this is where you make the least amount of $$
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:40 pm to LSUAfro
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Eta: if I'm opening a restaurant in 97% of places in this county, I'm putting BMC on tap. You'd be a fool not to from a monetary stand point. Most clientele isn't ready for it. This board represents a small percentage of the dining public that would embrace it.
The other thing you have to figure with BMC is the volume. People can and will drink pitchers and pitchers of BMC. This isn't as true for heavier craft beers.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:40 pm to Deactived
Why bother with this? You have some people who swear you need to have the shitty BMC beers on tap, when that's far from the case. BMC drinkers could give a flying frick whether it's draft or bottle. Don't waste taps on BMC.
All 11 of my taps would be craft, and probably 5 of them local. I'd have 3 other steady ones and 3 rotating ones.
All 11 of my taps would be craft, and probably 5 of them local. I'd have 3 other steady ones and 3 rotating ones.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:42 pm to BMoney
its a silly thread thats going to turn into an argument regardless of what people say or think
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:46 pm to Deactived
The margin on craft beer is more than BMC. People spend more per pint and the bar makes nets more per pint. That's what upgrade means. Get people in there who are willing to take on a higher bar tab for better beer, not folks looking for a $5 pitcher.
And those bars you listed have the highest paying clientele of any BR beer bar when It comes to the tab. You only get higher paying tabs when you inject wine and liquor.
Are you really arguing that bud light makes a bar more money than any $5+ pint craft beer?
Let's do the math.
40 pints at $5.50 = $220
Subtract cost of wholesale keg $60
Net $160
40 pints of bud light at $3 = $120
Subtract cost of keg at $35
Net $85
Basically double the net profit per pour if you serve craft beer. I don't know why any bar would want BMC drinkers unless they are just sheep doing what everyone else has done pre-craft beer boom.
And those bars you listed have the highest paying clientele of any BR beer bar when It comes to the tab. You only get higher paying tabs when you inject wine and liquor.
Are you really arguing that bud light makes a bar more money than any $5+ pint craft beer?
Let's do the math.
40 pints at $5.50 = $220
Subtract cost of wholesale keg $60
Net $160
40 pints of bud light at $3 = $120
Subtract cost of keg at $35
Net $85
Basically double the net profit per pour if you serve craft beer. I don't know why any bar would want BMC drinkers unless they are just sheep doing what everyone else has done pre-craft beer boom.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:53 pm to BMoney
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BMC drinkers could give a flying frick whether it's draft or bottle. Don't waste taps on BMC.
Bingo. Leave the BMC to bottles. frick wasting them on good taps.
My 11:
Abita Amber
Abita Purple Haze
Abita Seasonal
NOLA Blonde
NOLA Brown
NOLA Hopitoulas
NOLA ICS
Parish Canebrake
Guinness
Blue Moon
Sierra Nevada PA
This lineup will give you maximum profitability without being entirely shite beers, and more than half are local.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 9:56 pm to WizardSleeve
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Get people in there who are willing to take on a higher bar tab for better beer,
easier said than done. not many older guys are willing to just start drinking craft beer after drinking bud light for 20-30 years. they walk into a bar with bud light on tap, theyre probably just going to get that.
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And those bars you listed have the highest paying clientele of any BR beer bar when It comes to the tab
well theyre pretty much the only beer bars in town. not much competition to prove your point of them being the highest paying clientele
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Are you really arguing that bud light makes a bar more money than any $5+ pint craft beer?
when you have a BMC tap and a craft beer tap in BR, the BMC taps will sell more pints. yes theyre cheaper, but they sell alot more
quote:
Let's do the math.
40 pints at $5.50 = $220
Subtract cost of wholesale keg $60
Net $160
40 pints of bud light at $3 = $120
Subtract cost of keg at $35
Net $85
ok you just pulled some phantom kegs and prices to make your point.........
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Basically double the net profit per pour if you serve craft beer.
this goes back to just pulling numbers out of your arse
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I don't know why any bar would want BMC drinkers
because in BR, the majority of the drinkers drink BMC.
for example, the bulldog sells more of the big 3 than all the other beers combined(didnt pull this out of my arse either).
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:01 pm to BigJake
Since "to make a bar profitable" is not in the OP, I'm filling my 11 with beer I like
Saint Arnold's Endeavour
(512) Pecan Porter
Live Oak Hefeweizen
Real Ale Coffee porter
Independence Bootlegger Brown
Deep Ellum IPA
Karbach Rodeo Clown
Southern Star Pine Belt Pale Ale
Southern Star Buried Hatchet Stout
No Label Elda M Milk Stout
Real Ale Sisyphus
Saint Arnold's Endeavour
(512) Pecan Porter
Live Oak Hefeweizen
Real Ale Coffee porter
Independence Bootlegger Brown
Deep Ellum IPA
Karbach Rodeo Clown
Southern Star Pine Belt Pale Ale
Southern Star Buried Hatchet Stout
No Label Elda M Milk Stout
Real Ale Sisyphus
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:04 pm to WizardSleeve
Dude. You've never seen the books of a bar or restaurant , have you?
And on that note, I'm out.
As much as I enjoy the craft beer movement, it's just not feasible for the majority.
This board truly represents a very small percentage of the drinking public and it's because they have a passion for it. It just doesn't make sense for most from a business standpoint to omit BMC from their taps.
ETA: without more info about the objective of said establishment, this thread will never have a definitive answer.
And on that note, I'm out.
As much as I enjoy the craft beer movement, it's just not feasible for the majority.
This board truly represents a very small percentage of the drinking public and it's because they have a passion for it. It just doesn't make sense for most from a business standpoint to omit BMC from their taps.
ETA: without more info about the objective of said establishment, this thread will never have a definitive answer.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:12 pm to LSUAfro
Lol I managed a large bar in Annapolis for 8 years.
It's been a while since ive seen the current price of kegs but my numbers are accurate enough.
If you want a large place (large rent, lot of employees, costs, etc) by all means serve several hundred pints of cheap beer to fill the seats. You will have revenue but also low margin at the bottom line. Also a lot more invested in the size of the bar.
If you want more margin, more expensive beer is a great way to get there. You can operate with less seats and less everything from glassware to toilet paper.
But there's no convincing you guys, I can tell.
It's been a while since ive seen the current price of kegs but my numbers are accurate enough.
If you want a large place (large rent, lot of employees, costs, etc) by all means serve several hundred pints of cheap beer to fill the seats. You will have revenue but also low margin at the bottom line. Also a lot more invested in the size of the bar.
If you want more margin, more expensive beer is a great way to get there. You can operate with less seats and less everything from glassware to toilet paper.
But there's no convincing you guys, I can tell.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:20 pm to WizardSleeve
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If you want more margin, more expensive beer is a great way to get there. You can operate with less seats and less everything from glassware to toilet paper.
But there's no convincing you guys, I can tell.
you can also end up with an empty bar.
youre assuming that this mystery bar will always have people in it.
i mean if you have the people already "locked" in there(like a sporting event), yea raise the quality and price because its buy that or dont buy anything
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