re: Whiskey/Bourbon/Scotch appreciation thread

knew you would come through. that's what i was thinking of.

i found this. i thought some of you bourbon gangsters frowned upon ndps, but...

Non-Distiller Producer (NDP): A whiskey company that does not distill their own whiskey. They procure barrels from a distiller, most often under secrecy, and bottle the whiskey under their brand. This sounds like cheating, but you might be surprised that some of your favorite spirits of all varieties are non-distiller producers, like Pappy Van Winkle, Jefferson’s, Bulleit, Willet and Redemption. It is also a way for a brand to start from scratch and sell product immediately.

Im not a big fan of most NDPs because the majority of them try to pass it off as something they produced with fancy buzz words all over the label, etc...

that being said, there are several that source good juice and dont hide the fact that they didnt distill it.

Smooth Ambler is one and Jefferson's is another. I wouldn't necessarily consider Van Winkle an NDP. It's no secret that the Van Winkles produced some of the best American whiskeys in the last generation via the Stitzel Weller distillery before it was closed. Their partnership with Buffalo Trace is highly publicized.

I havnt tried any of it due to the fact that feedback has been all over the place, more negative than good, and there is plenty of other stuff that isn't as highly priced still on my list of things to try

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cool. so that's why they lumped vw into the ndps? because the sw distillery is closed? why did it close? thanks

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I guess... I mean if you want to go by textbook definition, yea I guess VW should be considered an NDP. the difference for me is you will never find out where most of the NDP whiskey your drinking came from. Black Maple Hill is a good example, try to find out where that juice is sourced from. You wont because in alot of cases they dont want you to know. Where as with VW, it's all on Buffalo Trace's website. I view VW more as a brand under the BT umbrella rather than an NDP sourcing juice from BT

Not that it's absolutely vital to know where my bourbon comes from, but I do like knowing who made it. What I don't care for is attempts to hide who/where it was made. So much marketing BS to sort through these days.

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why does this matter though? not arguing, just trying to understand. my buddy recommended johnny drum to me, and i told him i wasn't drinking that garbage juice because it's ndp. he said that worrying about where it actually comes from is for the gays.

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personal preference for me... i like to know what im drinking. but past that, wouldnt you want to know if you were drinking juice that came from say, wild turkey but it wasnt contracted juice from wild turkey. that begs the question, is this "factory seconds" that WT determined wasnt up to snuff to go in their bottle. NDPs get juice that way too....

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they told me where the new stuff was sourced from

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well?

Isn't it Oregon or some shite like that??

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oooooh yea that's right i did hear about Oregon.

Do not want. Bourbon comes from kentucky

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Friend of mine was so excited about his thinking it was the old stuff.

I found it to taste best when you added so much water and ice that you only tasted the water.

Truly one of the worst bourbons I've ever had.