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re: What makes a great gumbo?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:17 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:17 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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I was talking to a guy last night and he puts Pepperoni in his gumbo and he said it's awesome.
I've tried that, and it was not awesome. I'll never do it again. Pepperoni is best left out of soups/stews/gumbos.
The reason why people think their gumbo is great, is because they have likely fine tuned it to their tastes. I have.
For s seafood gumbo, I like a little lighter roux than with chicken/sausage/duck etc. Not a blonde roux, just a few shades lighter than a dark roux.
A good seafood stock is very important. I also simmer the gumbo a long time before cranking the heat a bit and adding the seafood. Add stock as necessary to keep the consistency the way you like it.
(With chicken/sausage gumbo, I simmer for a minimum of 1.5 hours AFTER adding the meats. Sausage not cooked, chicken mostly cooked when added. You can't do that with seafood.)
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:45 pm to PBeard
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So should I not put sausage in a shrimp and crab gumbo?
If you like it that way, by all means, do it. Personally, a good strong roux and stock for a seafood gumbo is perfect for me. I find that good sausage overtakes those flavors when added to a seafood gumbo. Shrimp would hold up better in flavor than crabmeat, but crabmeat is too delicate a flavor, in my opinion to hold up the sausage flavor and sausage flavored crabmeat just doesn't appeal to me. I'm more a purist when it comes to gumbo. I like seafood gumbo to taste like seafood and meat based gumbos to have the meat flavors.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:45 pm to BayouBlitz
I've got 3 lbs of gulf shrimp, 1 lb of lump crabmeat, 4 or 5 gumbo crabs, and about a pound of okra. Never made seafood gumbo before.
Last one I made was a duck, andouille, shrimp gumbo made with a duck fat roux. Might take the rest of the duck fat out and use it for the roux
One last question- tomato paste or no tomatoes?
Donald Link says to use tomatoes
Last one I made was a duck, andouille, shrimp gumbo made with a duck fat roux. Might take the rest of the duck fat out and use it for the roux
One last question- tomato paste or no tomatoes?
Donald Link says to use tomatoes
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:51 pm to PBeard
Using tomatoes depends on whether you prefer a cajun or creole gumbo. I like the seafood flavors, so I don't use tomatoes or okra, though I think okra does go well with seafood. Okra is also a strong flavor, so if you're going to use it, be careful on the amount, so you don't lose your good seafood taste in the end.
I'd make a stock with the shrimp shells and the gumbo crabs. Strain it and then make a good dark roux, saute trinity in the roux, add the stock, simmer for about 30 minutes, check your flavor for seasoning, add fresh garlic at this time, if you want it and add the seafood when you're sure you've got your seasonings adjusted to your liking. In a perfect world, I'd make it up to the point of adding the seafood, cool it, refrigerate it overnight because it will taste better the next day, reheat and taste to adjust and then add the seafood and enjoy.
Garnish with fresh chopped onion tops.
I'd make a stock with the shrimp shells and the gumbo crabs. Strain it and then make a good dark roux, saute trinity in the roux, add the stock, simmer for about 30 minutes, check your flavor for seasoning, add fresh garlic at this time, if you want it and add the seafood when you're sure you've got your seasonings adjusted to your liking. In a perfect world, I'd make it up to the point of adding the seafood, cool it, refrigerate it overnight because it will taste better the next day, reheat and taste to adjust and then add the seafood and enjoy.
Garnish with fresh chopped onion tops.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:52 pm to PBeard
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One last question- tomato paste or no tomatoes?
Depends on if you like tomatoes or not!
I like tomatoes so I enjoy them in my gumbo. Either way it is still a gumbo. That's just your particular taste...so it's up to you.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:54 pm to PBeard
I haven't had Link's gumbo, but that photo makes it look way too thick for my personal taste.
I've been watching some Besh shows I taped a while back. He saves his chicken fat for making rouxs for gumbo. He also used it to make rice for dish he was making. He melted the fat, sweated onions in it and then cooked the rice, normally. I figure that was some mighty fine tasting rice.
I've been watching some Besh shows I taped a while back. He saves his chicken fat for making rouxs for gumbo. He also used it to make rice for dish he was making. He melted the fat, sweated onions in it and then cooked the rice, normally. I figure that was some mighty fine tasting rice.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:55 pm to Gris Gris
Forgot to add that I do think a little thyme compliments seafood gumbo very well, though I don't use it a lot in that gumbo. I use file that I put on the gumbo just before serving. Martini prefers to cook the file in the gumbo. I do not.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:35 pm to Gris Gris
Making the stock now with crab/shrimp (saving claws for actual gumbo) thyme, peppercorns, a little trinity
I was thinking medium
How long should I simmer before I put the crabmeat/skrimps in? How long do they stay in before I cut off the fire?
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good dark roux
I was thinking medium
How long should I simmer before I put the crabmeat/skrimps in? How long do they stay in before I cut off the fire?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 5:29 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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it must have okra or its a stew.
OKRA... I DON"T NEED NO STINKIN OKRA!
Posted on 3/4/12 at 5:30 pm to PBeard
If you prefer a medium roux, go for it. I'm a dark roux person.
I would simmer about 30 minutes before adding the seafood.
The crabmeat just needs to warm and you don't want to hard cook it or it may shred. Shrimp are done quickly. If the claws have not been cooked, I'd add them first. Then, the shrimp and the crab last when the heat is off.
Be sure and taste your stock after straining to determine if it needs to be reduced to be stronger.
I would simmer about 30 minutes before adding the seafood.
The crabmeat just needs to warm and you don't want to hard cook it or it may shred. Shrimp are done quickly. If the claws have not been cooked, I'd add them first. Then, the shrimp and the crab last when the heat is off.
Be sure and taste your stock after straining to determine if it needs to be reduced to be stronger.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 6:54 pm to PBeard
I think Gris is dead on, as usual, with her gumbo advice. Though I prefer a slightly lighter roux for seafood. I find seafood has a delicate flavor, and don't want a heavy roux flavor overpowering it.
I'd simmer for an hour before adding any seafood. Give it time to cook the trinity and okra down. I like to cut the okra pretty fine, and simmer until the okra cooks out. As GG said, don't overdo the okra. Just a hint of okra flavor for me is perfect.
After simmering, I turn the heat back up to med or med high, wait a minute, add shrimp and let cook for about 5 mins, then try a shrimp and see if it's done. Fine tune your salt and heat level at this point.
I'd simmer for an hour before adding any seafood. Give it time to cook the trinity and okra down. I like to cut the okra pretty fine, and simmer until the okra cooks out. As GG said, don't overdo the okra. Just a hint of okra flavor for me is perfect.
After simmering, I turn the heat back up to med or med high, wait a minute, add shrimp and let cook for about 5 mins, then try a shrimp and see if it's done. Fine tune your salt and heat level at this point.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:24 pm to BayouBlitz
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add shrimp and let cook for about 5 mins, then try a shrimp and see if it's done.
Depends on the size of his shrimp. When I boil shrimp, I add them boiling water, bring to a boil again and turn them off. Those are shrimp with shells. Nekkid shrimp cook faster.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:31 pm to Gris Gris
I just realized I have not heard from Martini lately, where is he?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:51 pm to LSUGrad79
I think he's been around on other boards. Poop has a way of following him around to annoy him and then whining after he gets what for. He's probably taking a break from over here.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:06 pm to Gris Gris
Just got done making one. Started around 3. The most important ingredient IS THE ROUX. If the roux is bad/burnt then your done. Slow cook it until its dark brown. Mine took about 35-40 mins. Slow cooking the whole thing is key. If you think you can cook a gumbo in an hr your in for a terrible meal.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:44 pm to Uncle JackD
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And last but not least, eggs! I love eggs in a gumbo
my grandad never makes a pot without boiled eggs...
Posted on 3/4/12 at 9:41 pm to WILDTURKEYisgood
I did a light roux; okra made it almost green. Finished nice with the crab claws. Touch of file made it perfect. Thanks for the help
Posted on 3/4/12 at 9:47 pm to Uncle JackD
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F. And last but not least, eggs! I love eggs in a gumbo
I agree until F, to each his own, and everyone has his favorite, no eggs for me, or potatoe salad served in the gumbo. My friends from Houma love to put a big spoon of potatoe salad in their gumbo. Whatever blows your skirt up I guess.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 10:20 pm to PBeard
Glad it came out the way you wanted it. That's what's important. Everyone has different tastes.
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