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Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:15 am to Aubie Spr96
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Pre-tax
This is the first time I've heard the argument for it.
At least it's better than the "double the tax" people. If you're going to be cheap, keep your arse at home, or go to Wendys.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:16 am to nikki6
Most bills I see have a subtotal. I dont get why its easier to double the total and not the subtotal. For me I dont see why the server is entitled to an extra percentage that varies from place to place. Does someone working in a city at 10% tax deserve more than someone working in a city with 7% tax? When gratuity is auto charged its always on the pretax amount as well.
Now rounding up sometimes I round up for the total and sometimes I round up for the tip to be an even amount. Just varies with me.
really wish we would just go the way of Europe and pay the bitching servers more money and lose the tipping shite altogether. I just grow tired of the entitlement of the tip BS.
Now rounding up sometimes I round up for the total and sometimes I round up for the tip to be an even amount. Just varies with me.
really wish we would just go the way of Europe and pay the bitching servers more money and lose the tipping shite altogether. I just grow tired of the entitlement of the tip BS.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 8:20 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:18 am to Catman88
I just double the taxed amount and that comes to an 18% tip.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:19 am to RedHawk
What happens when you are in a city with 7% tax?
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:23 am to RedHawk
20% post tax and I round up. It's the bottom number and it's the easiest math. If I have wine or don't have my glasses it's the easiest to see as well. I dine out because I enjoy dining out and I don't go in with an attitude. That's just me though.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:27 am to LSUAfro
This is always a 
thread to me. I can be a penny pinching SOB, but debating pre-tax or post-tax...I mean really...come on. We are literally talking about maybe $50-$100/year for most people.
I'm not getting in to the "you're poor" thing, but I mean damn. If you really have an internal debate on what amounts to 20 cents a day over the course of a year, you should also think harder about spending that money on dining out in the first place.
Tip the extra buck or two on post tax, feel good about yourself for helping out a friends child in college, or maybe some day your kid in college, and go back to enjoying your company.
thread to me. I can be a penny pinching SOB, but debating pre-tax or post-tax...I mean really...come on. We are literally talking about maybe $50-$100/year for most people. I'm not getting in to the "you're poor" thing, but I mean damn. If you really have an internal debate on what amounts to 20 cents a day over the course of a year, you should also think harder about spending that money on dining out in the first place.
Tip the extra buck or two on post tax, feel good about yourself for helping out a friends child in college, or maybe some day your kid in college, and go back to enjoying your company.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:34 am to LSUAfro
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Tip the extra buck or two on post tax, feel good about yourself for helping out a friends child in college, or maybe some day your kid in college, and go back to enjoying your company.
Then shouldnt we tip everyone that is under 25 no matter what their job?
I didnt work in the restaurant industry when I was in college and I made way the frick less than friends that did and that complained about making less than min wage. I say pay them like everyone else and end the BS. I shouldnt feel guilty about the pay my server has when I show up at their restaurant and its empty. Im not into the feeling that when I dine out its a charity case. I just want good food and service.
If I go to Best Buy I dont tip the kid money for helping me make a thousand dollar decision. Its his job. So pay the servers fair wages and stop putting their salary on the backs of others.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:41 am to LSUAfro
Well, having worked in the industry, it's always been my impression that pre-tax was the standard. It's not an issue of being cheap. It's just pretty much how it's been done and the fact that restaurants always add pre-tax shows that it is what the industry accepts as normal also.
Not really worth a debate I don't think. Just tip as you see fit.
Not really worth a debate I don't think. Just tip as you see fit.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:42 am to Catman88
quote:
What happens when you are in a city with 7% tax?
Feel like this is a Kramer moment. LOL. Well I guess they get a 14% tip.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:44 am to Catman88
quote:I didn't say that or insinuate that. Simply a generalization used as example due to large population of college kids in the industry.
Then shouldnt we tip everyone that is under 25 no matter what their job?
quote:
I shouldnt feel guilty about the pay my server has when I show up at their restaurant and its empty. Im not into the feeling that when I dine out its a charity case. I just want good food and service.
Charity case, no. Good service and a couple extra bucks for it from people that a $1 or $2 doesn't mean a whole lot is my point of view.
quote:I'd rather have the control of tipping for service provided. Keep the food and beverage prices lower(to go food, catered food would be adjusted), and allow the patron to tip how they see fit.
So pay the servers fair wages and stop putting their salary on the backs of others.
Restaurants have a hard enough time turning profits, getting funding, and staying open. I'm really not keen on the idea of adding extra burden on restaurant owners who already can be stretched very thin.
ETA:
And paying wages to servers would drastically reduce the quality of servers in the business. I know I wouldn't have done it. Working long/late hours on your feet for < $10/hr. No. Why not get a 9-5 or a student worker job where I could have done my studying.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:45 am to Larry64
quote:I've never seen pre-tax as a standard for 20% in many, many restaurants.
having worked in the industry, it's always been my impression that pre-tax was the standard.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:06 am to LSUAfro
Its the standard via the fact that when every restaurant I have ever heard of takes auto gratuity they take it pretax.
For me its just the way I was taught to tip.
For me its just the way I was taught to tip.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:09 am to LSUAfro
Ever visit Europe? Is the service or prices considerably higher? No. You do see fewer servers and its a tad slower but they are not working for tips. You also dont see the shitty server that expects you to pay his salary either. In my experience college servers are typically the worst in the industry as well. Compare BR service which is typically college kids to NOLA service where its typically a career. Its night and day difference.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:13 am to Catman88
quote:
Its the standard via the fact that when every restaurant I have ever heard of takes auto gratuity they take it pretax
You're right. Most computer systems only allow a pre-tax option. I'm speaking from experience on non auto grat tickets.
quote:And honestly. It didn't bother me or most others. 18% of total bill is a fine tip and it's really not even worth debating. My mom does double the tax. Generally works out about the same as a pre-tax 20%.
For me its just the way I was taught to tip.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:16 am to Catman88
quote:No, but they are accustomed to their margins. It would definitely trigger a price reaction in the US.
Ever visit Europe? Is the service or prices considerably higher? No. You do see fewer servers and its a tad slower but they are not working for tips.
quote:It varies, but you're right. At higher end spots and the older college kids, it gets better.
In my experience college servers are typically the worst in the industry as well.
quote:And it would kill the service industry in NOLA. Good career waiters would die off.
NOLA service where its typically a career.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:21 am to LSUAfro
Here is a good one.. Just got back from Nassau a few weeks ago. Gratuity is included in everything there. (You even pay for electricity and housekeeping per person there) Go get a soda from a counter (that you have to fill yourself).. They charge a tip. Go to any restaurant and they put in the tip. They are all on island time there too. Slowest service you will experience pretty much anywhere and you dont have a say in the tip amount. So why not just put the amount automatically in with the already insane price for food? What is really the difference?
The point?
If Restaurant that charges 20 dollars for an entree raised the price by 18% and paid the server that 18% what is the difference to the customer that is already expected to tip 18% at least?
Hell while you are at it put the tax in as well. The customer benefits by knowing exactly how much their meal will cost without having to do the math.
The point?
If Restaurant that charges 20 dollars for an entree raised the price by 18% and paid the server that 18% what is the difference to the customer that is already expected to tip 18% at least?
Hell while you are at it put the tax in as well. The customer benefits by knowing exactly how much their meal will cost without having to do the math.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 9:25 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:28 am to Aubie Spr96
I normally double the tax
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:34 am to Catman88
quote:
If Restaurant that charges 20 dollars for an entree raised the price by 18% and paid the server that 18% what is the difference to the customer that is already expected to tip 18% at least?
Sure. It would take some adjustment for people to accept, and could work, but I think most enjoy the opportunity to tip accordingly
. It would be more than an 18% increase to keep margins the same as they are now. Payroll taxes would increase substantially.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:42 am to Patrick_Bateman
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60-80 bucks or so, depending on quality of service and duration of meal. Beyond a certain point, I stop worrying about percentages (e.g., "20%") and just consider the total amount.
So basically, before you go out you have budget in mind regardless of what kind of service you need while dining.
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