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re: The,"Food Babe", has finally been exposed.

Posted on 4/7/15 at 11:50 am to
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 11:50 am to
thanks
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 11:55 am to
Here's a few snipits exposing how wrong the Food Babe is.

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All alcoholic beverages are monitored by the TTB, the Tax and Trade Bureau, formerly an agency within Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. TTB has strict rules regarding beer ingredients. Any beer made with “non-traditional” ingredients, mean anything other than malt, water, yeast and hops (as well as some adjuncts) must go through a strict formulation approval by the TTB before the beer can be brewed.
Brewing with the steep IMG_2644
So the insinuation that brewers can put anything in their beer and not label it is false and absurd. There is government authority on what brewers can use in their beers. And I can say that the FDA IS involved with brewing at an increasing rate.

The Center of Science and Public interest is a well-known Neo-Prohibitionist organization, so any publication from them has to be taken with a grain of salt. Their stated goal is to eliminate alcoholic beverages and adult drinking. As such, their list can hardly be considered objective.


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4. Sulfite preservatives are generally not added to beer. Ironically, the Food Babe’s website features a photo of her drinking wine, one of the most heavily sulfated beverages in the world. Sulfur is applied to grapes and to wine at many stages throughout the winemaking process.


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The TTB requires sulfur labeling at levels over 10 ppm. Yeast generally produce 3-5 ppm sulfite naturally during fermentation, so adding sulfite as a preservative is what will take you over 10 ppm. No brewery in the United States uses sulfites in beer. The practice is rare worldwide, and the beer would have to be labeled as “contains sulfites” if sold in the US.


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7. Caramel coloring: Primarily used by English brewers, though it’s possible that some “dark” versions of mainstream beers include some kind of caramel coloring ---though you don’t see those beers anymore. Michelob Dark, made by AB, got its color from black malt, not food coloring or caramel coloring. I can’t verify her claim that Newcastle’s caramel coloring is highly toxic. She would need to say exactly what they use to substantiate that claim.


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Propylene glycol is a food additive that manufacturers use mainly as a sweetener that cannot ferment. Back in the 80s some Austrian wine makers were caught adding it to wine as a sweetener to try and mimic the more expensive late harvest German wines. It’s use to make both Mountain Dew and Cream Soda.

Brewers, however, use it primarily as a food grade refrigerant. Why is it on the list of approved ingredients? Every production process aid is listed regardless of whether it’s in the final product or not.


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Beaver anal gland, aka Castoreum. Castoreum is used to mimic the flavor of vanilla, and raspberry and legal to use as a "Natural Flavoring." It’s unlikely that many or any brewers use Castoreum. Only 300lb is used annually (harvested from dead beavers). Much of it is used to manufacture perfume. If the Food Babe uses Chanel, Lancomme and Givenchy, she’s probably dabbing beaver anal gland extract behind her ears daily. Castoreum itself is not specifically listed on the TTB’s list of approved ingredients; instead it’s a “natural” flavoring that can be added to beer.

The problem lies in the TTB labeling requirements. If a brewer makes a raspberry beer using natural flavoring, her label must read “Ale Brewed with Natural Flavorings."


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The Food Babe's list of "acceptable" ingredients is misleading for a couple reasons. She presents these substances as if they are frequently used by brewers, and because she couldn't obtain full ingredient lists from the breweries she spoke to, she implies that there is some sort of cover-up going on.


So Zappa, if you read the brewer's response, i doubt you would still hold the food bimbo in such high esteem.
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:02 pm to
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So the insinuation that brewers can put anything in their beer and not label it is false and absurd.


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Beaver anal gland, aka Castoreum, itself is not specifically listed on the TTB’s list of approved ingredients; instead it’s a “natural” flavoring that can be added to beer.


So you can put beaver arse juice in a beer, as long as you label it as natural flavorings...
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:04 pm to
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Beaver anal gland, aka Castoreum. Castoreum is used to mimic the flavor of vanilla, and raspberry and legal to use as a "Natural Flavoring." It’s unlikely that many or any brewers use Castoreum. Only 300lb is used annually (harvested from dead beavers). Much of it is used to manufacture perfume. If the Food Babe uses Chanel, Lancomme and Givenchy, she’s probably dabbing beaver anal gland extract behind her ears daily. Castoreum itself is not specifically listed on the TTB’s list of approved ingredients; instead it’s a “natural” flavoring that can be added to beer.

The problem lies in the TTB labeling requirements. If a brewer makes a raspberry beer using natural flavoring, her label must read “Ale Brewed with Natural Flavorings."


The above is a perfect example of the bullshite in the food babe's articles. beaver anal glands are considered "natural flavorings". Some beer have "made with Natural Flavorings". Therefore, if some beer is made with natural flavorings, it must be made with beaver anal glands. Science!!!!!

It's lazy idiocy at its finest, and i weep for those that believe her bullshite.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Count Chocula
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:15 pm to
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She may not know what she's talking about, but she's getting national attention and I'm sure generating a fair amount of money out of her shtick. Props to her for realizing what a market there is catering to soft headed MSNBC watching tree hugging space cadets. She's living the American Dream.


So she's the Al Gore of food?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:20 pm to
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So she's the Al Gore of food?


More like the rolling stone of food. Introduce an article. Create baseless accusations towards an industry. Get exposed for being a fraud. Come up with the cop out "well at least it gets the conversation going" despite it being a lie and whoever's business it may damage.
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:21 pm to
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The above is a perfect example of the bullshite in the food babe's articles. beaver anal glands are considered "natural flavorings". Some beer have "made with Natural Flavorings". Therefore, if some beer is made with natural flavorings, it must be made with beaver anal glands. Science!!!!!


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Natural Flavors (can come from anything natural including a beavers anal gland)


You have a problem with reading comprehension? You do know the difference between some 'CAN contain x' and 'contains x', right?

Maybe you are ok with the fact that beaver slurm is considered a 'natural flavoring', but most people would like to know if their beer is flavored with squirts from a rodents arse.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 12:24 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:26 pm to
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You do know the difference between some 'CAN contain x' and 'contains x', right?

Maybe you are ok with the fact that beaver slurm is considered a 'natural flavoring', but most people would like to know if their beer is flavored with squirts from a rodents arse.


read the article

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Beaver anal gland, aka Castoreum. Castoreum is used to mimic the flavor of vanilla, and raspberry and legal to use as a "Natural Flavoring." It’s unlikely that many or any brewers use Castoreum. Only 300lb is used annually (harvested from dead beavers). Much of it is used to manufacture perfume. If the Food Babe uses Chanel, Lancomme and Givenchy, she’s probably dabbing beaver anal gland extract behind her ears daily. Castoreum itself is not specifically listed on the TTB’s list of approved ingredients; instead it’s a “natural” flavoring that can be added to beer.

The problem lies in the TTB labeling requirements. If a brewer makes a raspberry beer using natural flavoring, her label must read “Ale Brewed with Natural Flavorings."


Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79702 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:37 pm to
I've seen too many breweries bragging about the source of their vanilla beans or the amount of fresh raspberries used in their process to be worried about any ones that I drink being made with Castoreum.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:43 pm to
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I've seen too many breweries bragging about the source of their vanilla beans or the amount of fresh raspberries used in their process to be worried about any ones that I drink being made with Castoreum


Yeah. I doubt any breweries use them. But hey, it's not sensationalism to say "i can't point out any breweries that use castorem in their beer".
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
2428 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:12 pm to
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Yeah. I doubt any breweries use them


You doubt, but you don't know...

Per the castoreum wiki page...

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While it is mainly used in foods and beverages as part of a substitute vanilla flavour,[11] it is less commonly used as a part of a raspberry or strawberry flavoring.[12]


Why isn't the conversation about why they don't have to tell you if castoreum is used in their beer?

Why are breweries allowed to get away with a blanket 'natural flavorings' on the label and consumers are left wondering, if they even consider it at all, if the malt beverage with natural flavors they are drinking is flavored with strawberries or beaver arse.



Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:23 pm to
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Why isn't the conversation about why they don't have to tell you if castoreum is used in their beer?


They do have to tell you. Again, read this article.

LINK

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All alcoholic beverages are monitored by the TTB, the Tax and Trade Bureau, formerly an agency within Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. TTB has strict rules regarding beer ingredients. Any beer made with “non-traditional” ingredients, mean anything other than malt, water, yeast and hops (as well as some adjuncts) must go through a strict formulation approval by the TTB before the beer can be brewed.


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So the insinuation that brewers can put anything in their beer and not label it is false and absurd. There is government authority on what brewers can use in their beers. And I can say that the FDA IS involved with brewing at an increasing rate.

The Center of Science and Public interest is a well-known Neo-Prohibitionist organization, so any publication from them has to be taken with a grain of salt. Their stated goal is to eliminate alcoholic beverages and adult drinking. As such, their list can hardly be considered objective.





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Why are breweries allowed to get away with a blanket 'natural flavorings' on the label and consumers are left wondering, if they even consider it at all, if the malt beverage with natural flavors they are drinking is flavored with strawberries or beaver arse.


What do you mean, left wondering? Left wondering what? If it's the actual fruit or a flavoring? Seems pretty apparent on the bottles if it is included or not. Personally, when i shop beer and on the rare occasion i buy a fruit beer, i don't go for the one with "natural flavorings" because the real thing tastes better. Also what percentage of natural flavorings use castoreum vs. those that don't? You see what i'm getting at? Again, you can say, "well it says natural flavorings, so it must be castoreum" but seeing that the entire food and beverage industry uses less than 300 lbs of this might tell you that you'd be hard to find natural flavoring producers that use this, specifically in the naturally focused world of beer.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104494 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:35 pm to
We all know the "Food Babe" is a hack, but you're not really making much sense here.

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Personally, when i shop beer and on the rare occasion i buy a fruit beer, i don't go for the one with "natural flavorings" because the real thing tastes better.


You do realize that the "real thing" is in fact "natural flavoring" right?
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
43570 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:51 pm to
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Zappa, if you read the brewer's response, i doubt you would still hold the food bimbo in such high esteem.


Just read it and it is as full of uncertainties and maybes and ifs as you acuse FB of beinv. Fact is BMC beers have stuff in them that are not divulged or called natural flavorings.

In the end, I criticise FB for what you have pointed out. But I think she is doing a public service by calling out food manufacturers for their ingredients and lack of transparency. It's a debate that can only be healthy for us in the long run.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79702 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:30 pm to
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You do realize that the "real thing" is in fact "natural flavoring" right?


I've seen labeling though that says "brewed with raspberries" instead of just sayin natural flavorings.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:36 pm to
Why is anyone objecting to castoreum? It is perfectly natural. OK, if you're a hardcore vegan. But objecting to the idea of an animal exudate merely as "gross" is completely sophomoric. We freakin' EAT whole hunks of various animal parts. I guess FoodBabe would faint if she ate a natural casing sausage, or sweetbreads, or rocky mountain oysters or haggis.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79702 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:41 pm to
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sweetbreads

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:43 pm to
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You do realize that the "real thing" is in fact "natural flavoring" right?



I guess i phrased that poorly. What i meant is i look for the "made with real ......" on the label.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58315 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:50 pm to
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But I think she is doing a public service by calling out food manufacturers for their ingredients and lack of transparency. It's a debate that can only be healthy for us in the long run.


I understand what you are saying. But it's the fact that the FB does it out of dishonesty, and that there are too many people that take what they see from her on face value. I guess i loathe the stupidity of people more, for believing what she says, rather than her. If people would actually be educated about things, then they wouldn't be so foolish to believe her when she makes outrageous claims. I mean, i can tell everyone that "vegetables are deadly, because they contain arsenic and arsenic is poison, so stop eating vegetables", but you'd have to be one stupid SOB to believe it. It all has to do with amounts. But she doesn't make that distinction, and she's gathered a following of lemmings that believe everything she says.
I guess it's also her hypocrisy that irks me. She railed against beer, even claiming the "sulfur" in beer is bad, but is too stupid to realize the wine she drinks is introduced with sulfur multiple times in the fermenting process and contains more trace amounts of sulfur than beer.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
43570 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:48 pm to
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I guess it's also her hypocrisy that irks me. She railed against beer, even claiming the "sulfur" in beer is bad, but is too stupid to realize the


Things like that are what I debate my wife about. My wife will fall back on what I said previously about bringing all this to the fore.....so I stole that argument from her.

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and that there are too many people that take what they see from her on face value. I guess i loathe the stupidity of people more, for believing what she says, rather than her.


You can make this statement about any movement be it liberal or conservative. There are always the "True Believers" who serve a function in terms of lending unquestioning support to a movement when it is in its infancy and trying to find its feet. A lot of FB lemmings actually know she is wrong about many things but she has had victories in getting the food conglomerates to divulge ingredients and change ingredients. And this is more than the more scientific and knowledgeable voices of food reform have achieved. Its good to be attractive in amurica.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 3:49 pm
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