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re: The board is missing something without the restaraunteurs
Posted on 7/28/09 at 10:58 am to TigahRag
Posted on 7/28/09 at 10:58 am to TigahRag
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i don't really find their opinions any more informative or entertaining than say, glassman, tavolitim, martini, tiger attorney, zilla, etc. etc. ..
when it comes to insight as to why a restaurant may be doing a certain thing, or opinions as to why certain dishes are more or less common in restaurants i found their opinions more informative than all of the above with the exception of tavoltim.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 11:17 am to el tigre
Look, I miss posting about all types of foods and restaurants (not that I can't) but you have to see where Chicken is coming from. This is his business, just like we have ours, so he is free to choose how he wants to run it. While I don't like his rules, I definitely understand where he is coming from, especially considering he has a guy whose profession is selling ads for this site.
Now, I don't like the fact the he thinks we (me, opie, etc) have been "trolling" his boards because I can certainly say that wasn't my intention (and nor was it opie's either) and I didn't mean to, but it is true that I indirectly "pimped" my place on here if posting in threads about it means that I am pimping it.
But, things had to happen and they did. Props to Chicken for standing up and doing what he had to do.
As for Rag, I don't get him. It's like he's trying to patrol the food and drink board in order to get his junior admin badge or some shite...
Now, I don't like the fact the he thinks we (me, opie, etc) have been "trolling" his boards because I can certainly say that wasn't my intention (and nor was it opie's either) and I didn't mean to, but it is true that I indirectly "pimped" my place on here if posting in threads about it means that I am pimping it.
But, things had to happen and they did. Props to Chicken for standing up and doing what he had to do.
As for Rag, I don't get him. It's like he's trying to patrol the food and drink board in order to get his junior admin badge or some shite...

This post was edited on 7/28/09 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/28/09 at 11:24 am to Gugich22
i fully understand where chicken is coming from.
my point has more to do with this:
my point has more to do with this:
quote:
As for Rag, I don't get him. It's like he's trying to patrol the food and drink board in order to get his junior admin badge or some shite...
Posted on 7/28/09 at 11:39 am to Chicken
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Why do they have to let everyone know they own a restaurant? Why can't they operate incognito? There are hundreds of users that could promote their products or services on the site but don't. No one knows who they are or what they do. They are following the rules.
Like i said, I totally agree that no one should be on here promoting their business for free. What I am referring to is restaurant owners getting attacked when they don't do anything wrong (opie pork chop).
I feel for them because it must be hard to see their place talked about (both positive and negative) and they can't respond. I know, it comes with the territory, but I'm sure it's pretty hard
Posted on 7/28/09 at 11:40 am to LSUZombie
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I feel for them because it must be hard to see their place talked about (both positive and negative) and they can't respond. I know, it comes with the territory, but I'm sure it's pretty hard
yeah, it is...especially when someone is just asking for hours and no one else responds.

Posted on 7/28/09 at 11:53 am to Chicken
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I had to scratch my head when I found out that one of the owners who has trolled the board for some time is advertising elsewhere.
That's just wrong. I'll bet it was broken egg.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 11:57 am to Chicken
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Why can't they operate incognito?
I think that is part of the problem though.. Potential advertisers can just look at the board and say I will just act like a food critic and make sure I throw my own place a bone all the time. So why pay for advertising. At least with Opie and others if they did that we knew that it wasnt right and could call them out on it. Now anyone can just come on here and say how George's has a new special and its awesome and they get free advertising without us knowing its the owner saying it.. If Opie said that shite he would have gotten the post whacked.
The best way I have seen to police this on boards is to allow owners to acknowledge a place they own but ONLY in posts that require their input or mention their place specifically. At least that way we would get most of the owners out in the open. If we know who they are there is a better chance of getting them banned than if they are incognito and seeking free advertising.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 12:02 pm to Catman88
i agree with you, catman...i have been accused of trolling the boards and trying to advertise for free when i never started a thread about the place or pimped how good our food is or any of that...when you most certainly have other posters, incognito, pimping their places left and right...
Posted on 7/28/09 at 12:02 pm to Catman88
I do enjoy spotting a restaurant owner/employee. One of my favorite was the drunken fish person. They would start a thread once a week saying how incredible the sushi is. Gave me a chuckle when people would jump on them.
Looks like this thread got the anchor.

Looks like this thread got the anchor.

Posted on 7/28/09 at 12:07 pm to Gugich22
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when you most certainly have other posters, incognito, pimping their places left and right...
correctomundo.
yet, the ones who were upfront and open about who they were felt the brunt of the punishment.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 12:08 pm to LSUZombie
The Ambrosia owner was pretty cool. Didn't he come on this board and basically say that he doesn't give a shite what posters think of his business? 

Posted on 7/28/09 at 12:11 pm to Skillet
yeah, b/c one poster posted a bad experience with a worker there and how they messed up on his cake...
that was classic.

that was classic.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 12:25 pm to Catman88
quote:Those people are sniffed out pretty quickly. They are never subtle enough. But this is a problem we deal with all the time. It isn't limited to restaurants. To me, that is pretty shitty thing to do.
I think that is part of the problem though.. Potential advertisers can just look at the board and say I will just act like a food critic and make sure I throw my own place a bone all the time. So why pay for advertising.
quote:That's a terrible idea. That is basically what Opie has done. Hell, his username was his entire restaurant name, with his logo as his avatar. I shortened his name (I should have changed it all together), and removed his avatar. But giving them the ability to interact with users as a business is a service we try to sell. That gives them great exposure.
The best way I have seen to police this on boards is to allow owners to acknowledge a place they own but ONLY in posts that require their input or mention their place specifically.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 12:26 pm to Gugich22
quote:Since you posted this, please name one example of this.
when you most certainly have other posters, incognito, pimping their places left and right...
quote:I can't understand how you don't see interacting with users about your business as being a form of advertising.
i have been accused of trolling the boards and trying to advertise for free when i never started a thread about the place or pimped how good our food is or any of that.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 12:52 pm to Chicken
I actually understand both points of views and its a tough call (if I were chicken)... The only thing I think you may underestimate is the VALUE it brings to YOUR site by having KNOWN owners post on here... for me, it made me visit this board more often b/c it was simply more interesting ... that should not be discounted
I also agree about RAG, he has gotten a little caught up in this debate and came off kinda petty looking, but nevertheless, I really enjoy his posts and the VALUE HE brings to td.com ....
speaking of RAG, I think I need to start a new thread... Rag, aren't you a big fan of Ronnie's Ribs ?
one more thing Chicken, while I can undestand your reasoning here, I still think you anchoring my MVIS thread was bogus
I also agree about RAG, he has gotten a little caught up in this debate and came off kinda petty looking, but nevertheless, I really enjoy his posts and the VALUE HE brings to td.com ....
speaking of RAG, I think I need to start a new thread... Rag, aren't you a big fan of Ronnie's Ribs ?
one more thing Chicken, while I can undestand your reasoning here, I still think you anchoring my MVIS thread was bogus

This post was edited on 7/28/09 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/28/09 at 1:04 pm to Zilla
Zilla, I ran it by two members of the Money Board Steering Committee and they agreed with my actions.
One of them wants you banned.
One of them wants you banned.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 1:10 pm to Chicken

(BTW Chicken: there was some great input after the anchor if you wanted to read more about the company)
This post was edited on 7/28/09 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 7/28/09 at 1:33 pm to Chicken
But Opie posts for more than just his place too. His avatar and name may be advertising and I would def agree that it should be changed. But most people wouldnt know that Gugich was associated with a place. What I was referring to was forcing the owners to ONLY post in threads directly soliciting their help or concerning their place. It adds value to this site to be able to report an issue about a place and to have the owner be able to respond to that issue which in many cases may be misleading. If they want to post all over the site then have a diff account setup for that purpose that is not affiliated with a business.
I recall seeing this happen a few times with:
Sakura
South of Philly
Little Caesars
Drunken Fish
Being called out by posters on this board.
But I would never know if someone were pimping Louisiana Lagniappe, Stella! or Johnny's pizza or some other bigger places here since its common to recommend these places. I know someone accused me just the other day of working for Louisiana Lagniappe.
So is making baseless accusations and attacking other users the proper way to handle this? RAing everytime we suspect someone in violation seems a bit much as well. Its a bit hard to run a Food Board without people being able to talk about a business. But its a dilemma Im glad I dont have to solve.. I was just saying how some really huge message boards handle the same problem. I know many boards encourage owners to establish themselves on a board as an expert in a particular field but are restricted from using their buisness name as their user name or many other guidlines. I know cruisecritic.com does a very good job at this and they would have the potential to have many violators in a tourism forum.

quote:
Those people are sniffed out pretty quickly
I recall seeing this happen a few times with:
Sakura
South of Philly
Little Caesars
Drunken Fish
Being called out by posters on this board.
But I would never know if someone were pimping Louisiana Lagniappe, Stella! or Johnny's pizza or some other bigger places here since its common to recommend these places. I know someone accused me just the other day of working for Louisiana Lagniappe.


This post was edited on 7/28/09 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 7/28/09 at 1:58 pm to Catman88
It doesn't matter. No matter what I say or no matter how I spin things, I'm in the wrong. Regardless of what I post about my place, from answering a question to anything else, I'm wrong or I'm trolling. But I never once started threads about the restaurant or "advertised" within threads discussing the business. But somehow I am accused of trolling for posting store hours or a number when no one else would?
Chicken, I know you have a business to run, as do we, but you really focus on negative aspects of people like me who post...and I don't think you would have done this 4 years ago when I joined the site.
Chicken, I know you have a business to run, as do we, but you really focus on negative aspects of people like me who post...and I don't think you would have done this 4 years ago when I joined the site.
Posted on 7/28/09 at 2:11 pm to Gugich22
Dude, I had no idea you were in the restaurant business prior to the Food board opening. Why s that? Again, a business owner interacting on a forum with potential customers as the business owner is ADVERTISING. You have no right to respond to any questions about your place, since it is known you are a business owner posting on this site. You made the mistake by making it known that you were a business owner on here.
Plus, you admitting that you advertised elsewhere really rubbed me the wrong way.
Plus, you admitting that you advertised elsewhere really rubbed me the wrong way.
This post was edited on 7/28/09 at 2:12 pm
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