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Saved a Gumbo with separating Roux
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:38 am
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:38 am
I've read about Roux separating but I've never actually seen it. My wife makes a pretty mean gumbo and I usually have the job of stirring the Roux until it is the right color. As I'm stirring the Roux watching it turn into a reddish chocolate milk color. I did think the Roux looked a little oily but not too far outside of the norm. My wife is pretty detailed about measuring stuff out so I don't think anything of it. Roux is done I go away untill the wife calls me in the kitchen.
"What is this sludge floating on top of the gumbo?"
It is something I've only read about in internet lore... The Roux had separated. Did some googling and most people say to jack up the heat and stir. I turn the burner up to 11 and stir. Roux isn't incorporating. Wife is ready to throw it out There is a whole chicken, 2lbs of sausage, and several hours of time invested in that pot I wasn't ready to give up yet.
I break out a small pot and scoop out all of the unincorporated sludge off the top. I make a corn starch and water slurry and add it to the gumbo pot to get a little thickening action starting. Then I turn on high heat on the small pot. I use an immersion blender as I bring this mixture to a boil. I keep heating and blending until everything looks incorporated then I add more stock from the gumbo pot. I heat and blend some more and turn it off and let it sit to see of it separates. It doesn't so I throw the whole thing back in the gumbo pot and there is no more separating. The gumbo was saved.
These were my observations from saving my gumbo.
1. I wouldn't turn the heat up and stir the main gumbo pot. This process started breaking down my chicken chunks I had on my gumbo and made for overly shredded strings of chicken.
2. Removing the separated roux and heating and stirring in a separate pot with the immersion blender worked great without over stirring and breaking down the cooked contents of the main gumbo pot. By adding stock and mixing in the small pot I could check to see if the Roux was still separating before I added it to the main pot.
3. I don't know of the corn starch did anything. I was originally in panic mode and was just removing the Roux and was going to see what the gumbo tasted like thickened with corn starch missing most of the Roux. I used about 3 or 4 slightly bulging tablespoons to make a slurry which I added to an 8 quart stock pot. It was just enough the contents started to look like it was thickening but not enough to where the finished product should have been. Did the corn starch help jump start the Roux incorporating or is it a placebo effect? It was encouraging seeing your pot of gumbo start to thicken after the Roux has separated even it it isn't the Roux doing the thickening.
4 I couldn't get 100% of the separated roux out. It just sort of disappeared on its own. Once I ladled over rice you couldn't see or taste it.
"What is this sludge floating on top of the gumbo?"
It is something I've only read about in internet lore... The Roux had separated. Did some googling and most people say to jack up the heat and stir. I turn the burner up to 11 and stir. Roux isn't incorporating. Wife is ready to throw it out There is a whole chicken, 2lbs of sausage, and several hours of time invested in that pot I wasn't ready to give up yet.
I break out a small pot and scoop out all of the unincorporated sludge off the top. I make a corn starch and water slurry and add it to the gumbo pot to get a little thickening action starting. Then I turn on high heat on the small pot. I use an immersion blender as I bring this mixture to a boil. I keep heating and blending until everything looks incorporated then I add more stock from the gumbo pot. I heat and blend some more and turn it off and let it sit to see of it separates. It doesn't so I throw the whole thing back in the gumbo pot and there is no more separating. The gumbo was saved.
These were my observations from saving my gumbo.
1. I wouldn't turn the heat up and stir the main gumbo pot. This process started breaking down my chicken chunks I had on my gumbo and made for overly shredded strings of chicken.
2. Removing the separated roux and heating and stirring in a separate pot with the immersion blender worked great without over stirring and breaking down the cooked contents of the main gumbo pot. By adding stock and mixing in the small pot I could check to see if the Roux was still separating before I added it to the main pot.
3. I don't know of the corn starch did anything. I was originally in panic mode and was just removing the Roux and was going to see what the gumbo tasted like thickened with corn starch missing most of the Roux. I used about 3 or 4 slightly bulging tablespoons to make a slurry which I added to an 8 quart stock pot. It was just enough the contents started to look like it was thickening but not enough to where the finished product should have been. Did the corn starch help jump start the Roux incorporating or is it a placebo effect? It was encouraging seeing your pot of gumbo start to thicken after the Roux has separated even it it isn't the Roux doing the thickening.
4 I couldn't get 100% of the separated roux out. It just sort of disappeared on its own. Once I ladled over rice you couldn't see or taste it.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:48 am to DeoreDX
You should get someone over on the fark board to make a Gumbo or Roux super hero avatar for you.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:40 am to DeoreDX
Oven roux is fool proof. 350 for two hours, quick stir every 20 minutes or so. So dark and won't burn. I will never stand over the stove for a roux ever again.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:44 am to DeoreDX
I’m by no means an excellent cook but I cook gumbo all the time and have never had it separate. I’ve only heard of that on here.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:45 am to liz18lsu
quote:
will never stand over the stove for a roux ever again.
B/c stove top is not at all complicated and doesn’t take 2 hours

ETA: I misread, was reading while in a hurry this morning. Thought you said “I’ll never understand someone making roux over a stovetop”
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:54 am to windshieldman
If I told feel like taking the time to make a stove top Roux I can make a deep chocolate Roux in the microwave in about six minutes.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:48 am to windshieldman
quote:
B/c stove top is not at all complicated and doesn’t take 2 hours
I am not experienced at making roux and always worry I will burn it. So, I go for an option that works for me.

Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:56 am to mouton
quote:
Roux in the microwave in about six minutes.
We call that microwave lava

Posted on 1/27/18 at 12:48 pm to DeoreDX
quote:
These were my observations from saving my gumbo.
What are your observations from making it separate? I'm still trying to figure out how you people make this happen? Can I see a picture of what this even looks like
Posted on 1/27/18 at 12:48 pm to windshieldman
I had one separate a little today while adding stock. Cranked up the heat and got it to a rolling boil, did a little whisking, and it all worked itself out.
I have pics of the entire process, except.for when it separated
didn't want pictures if I ended up ruining it. Luckily, I didn't.
I have pics of the entire process, except.for when it separated

This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/27/18 at 12:56 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
didn't want pictures if I ended up ruining it

It never happened!
Posted on 1/27/18 at 12:59 pm to liz18lsu
quote:
350 for two hours
Dafuq?
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:05 pm to upgrayedd
Oven roux takes a while. I usually start it in the oven while I'm chopping everything, browning the meat, or making a stock, then when I'm done with that, finish the roux on the stove.
It works best when you can use that time for other things. It's perfect if you're making a stock.
It works best when you can use that time for other things. It's perfect if you're making a stock.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:16 pm to TH03
My best guess would be that the separation comes from the fact that some of the flour wasn't fully incorporated with the oil.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:17 pm to liz18lsu
quote:
I will never stand over the stove for a roux ever again.
I have only done a handful at this point (doing one tomorrow). Sometimes I get worried I'm doing the roux wrong because I am done in well under the time some people say on here and its dark as night. 1 hour tops.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:17 pm to liz18lsu
quote:
am not experienced at making roux and always worry I will burn it. So, I go for an option that works for me.
I misread earlier post I replied to as I was reading over it fast. Sorry bout that. I ETAd it
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:17 pm to hashtag
I think so too. I think it comes from having too high of an oil to flour ratio. The oil boils out to the top of the pot and the flour is just left there unincorporated.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:19 pm to rmc
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Sometimes I get worried I'm doing the roux wrong because I am done in well under the time some people say on here and its dark as night. 1 hour tops.
An hour is a long fricking time. You on medium heat?
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:25 pm to TH03
just over medium. It's usually closer to 40/45.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 1:32 pm to rmc
If I'm on the stove I go medium high and it takes 20-30
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