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Posted on 2/2/12 at 8:11 pm
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1207 posts
Posted on 2/2/12 at 8:11 pm
We are planning a trip to San Fran and Sonoma/Napa. We have never been. Any advice on hotels and places to eat in the city?

Also, what are some of the more interesting vineyards to hit, and where should we stay in Sonoma/Napa?
Posted by Coater
Madison, MS
Member since Jun 2005
33060 posts
Posted on 2/2/12 at 8:21 pm to
We did it in 2005. We stayed in yountville for a couple days at a b&b and healdsburg in Sonoma at a great inn on the square. Sonoma is very rustic, very much how napa used to be. My favorite stops were prager Port in st helena, Bella in upper Sonoma (in a cave). Must get a sandwich at oakdale grocery and have a picnic at v satui.
Posted by AcadianDisciple
South LA.
Member since Nov 2009
275 posts
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:28 pm to
Try to make it to Healdsburg if you have time, visit J Vineyards, Simi, and Rodney Strong. Eat at Oakville Grocery while in Healdsburg.

Visit Yountville as well, set up a tasting at Jessup cellers. Many upper end places to dine in Yountville.

Other wineries to consider visiting if time permits:

Sterling
Hess
Burgess
Balducci
Silver Oak
Chandon

Posted by Coater
Madison, MS
Member since Jun 2005
33060 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:26 am to
Yes, oakville grocery, not oakdale grocery. Sterling is a fun tour. Take the gondola to the top of the mountain
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
15803 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:45 am to
I can make better suggestions if you give me an idea of what you like and what your budget constraints are.
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1207 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:50 am to
No budget constraints really. We don't want to spend 500-600 a night on a hotel but 300+ is fine. I do know that the wife wants some type of spa. We love to drink wine, but are not necessarily aficionados.


We'd like to eat at a couple of nice restaurants while we are there, but are not opposed to the "hole in the wall" either.

Posted by Coater
Madison, MS
Member since Jun 2005
33060 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:58 am to
Healdsburg inn
Maison fleurie

Both were pretty affordable. We didn't have any money when we went on the trip and still had a blast.
Posted by TigerPhan27
edgy racial f'n pervert.
Member since Apr 2008
15693 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 7:39 am to
quote:

Wine Country


go to conn creek and do the wine blending. You get to go down in a room with 19 different wines, you taste them all and then get to make your own blend from the wines, bottle it and take it home. There is a teacher there to help you blend the wine to get the taste you are looking for.
Posted by taurusjwf
Member since Oct 2008
904 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:15 am to
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picnic at v satui


Agree
Posted by mdobra1
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2005
738 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:41 am to
Cole's Chophouse for dinner in downtown Napa. As for lodging, try The Meritage Resort in Napa. Your wife would love the spa - it is in a cave underneath the vineyards.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
38970 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 10:03 am to
We enjoyed the Orchard Garden hotel and that part of town. We ate Boulevard for our big dinner and it was insanely good.
Posted by Thomas Hudson
Dallas
Member since Dec 2006
7309 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 10:11 am to
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We ate Boulevard for our big dinner and it was insanely good.


Ate there in September. One of the best designed restaurants I've seen. Kitchen had a couple notable missteps, but overall the meal was great and I'd go back in a heartbeat.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
38970 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 10:27 am to
We sat up against the wall just across from the kitchen. It was a neat spot but in the back by the windows would have been nice too.

The waiter was not happy with us since we ordered a cheese plate as a pre-app, paired with a white wine, and not as a desert. IDGAF, we want what we want - why have an issue with us? We liked that he left us alone though.

The building almost is an entity of it's own. Amazing brick ceiling.

ETA: Oh shite, I just looked at the dinner menu and I'm starving now (and in BFE Mississippi). Crap.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 10:30 am
Posted by Thomas Hudson
Dallas
Member since Dec 2006
7309 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 10:35 am to
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The waiter was not happy with us since we ordered a cheese plate as a pre-app, paired with a white wine, and not as a desert. IDGAF, we want what we want


Our service was fine, but I had two issues with the food we ordered. The foie appetizer was a misconceived dish from the start. The foie was covered with house-made cracker jacks, which totally overpowered any flavor from the liver.

Also, half of my fish fillet was so oversalted it was almost inedible. It was a shame because the fillet was perfectly cooked and otherwise the dish was terrific.
Posted by LandOwners
Down South
Member since Sep 2011
603 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 10:38 am to
Bottega is very good.

We did a couple of the bus tours when out there, wish we would have just done our own thing. The bus tours are nice because u dont have to plan anything or drive, but you end up going to some average at best wineries and getting herded into tasting the wines they have set up for your group.

Would recommended doing some research into the types of wines u enjoy, and targeting wineries that are known to have good vintages of that type.
Posted by rsande2
Member since Jan 2006
3423 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:40 pm to
I have been to both of Napa and Frisco a few times.

Tours:

Castle (must do)
Sterling (must do)
Beringer (best wine for me)
Fransican
Black Stallion
Chateau Montelena

Some of the smaller ones are good too like Andretti....

Domaine Carneros and Mumm Napa are decent as well for sparkling wine.

Food:
We ate at the CIA, it was good if your in to that. Mustards was also very good.


Eta: Also add bouchon bistro, very good place to eat.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 12:42 pm
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
15803 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 12:44 pm to
In San Francisco for Italian food I suggest:
Perbacco in the financial district
Ristobar or A16 in the Marina
SPQR on Fillmore
Acquarello if you want something a little more formal and romantic.

If you want old school SF places, go to Tadich Grill or Sams. Boulevard is always solid and as others have posted, it's a beautiful restaurant. Plus there are naked ladies on the wall in the men's room.

If you want Chinese go to R&G Lounge, Yank Sing for Dim Sum, or Henry's Hunan for a cheap lunch.

Bushi-Tei in Japan town is a really under rated Michelin Star quality restaurant serving French fusion. I wouldn't even classify it as asian, just really well done tasty food and good service. I've had many great meals there.

Napa is a little easier to navigate relative to Sonoma given that it's more concentrated geographically. It will also probably be more crowded.

In Napa I'd suggest going to the Oxbow market in the city of Napa, which is basically a food mall. There's a website, and don't miss the Fatted Calf butcher, it's around the corner.

Yountville: it's hard to find a bad meal in Yountville. Bouchon is great french bistro food, Bottega is excellent. Also several great spa options in Yountville. I've been to the Villagio several times and it's a great facility.

Wine wise, if you don't have a preference, I'd try the Napa Wine Co in Oakville on the Oakville cross road. It's a co-op where many small wineries make their wine and it will give you the chance to taste a lot of different wines from different producers in one place. Otherwise, I'd suggest Phelps, it's probably one of the more scenic locations in Napa, but you have to schedule a tasting. I think it's worth it though. I also like Alpha/Omega. New-ish winery, great place to spend an hour or so, and the wines are good.

In Sonoma County, you can't go wrong on the Russian River Wine Road. You can hop in the car, get on westside rd and probably visit 10-20 wineries just by following the signs. Pinot, zin, chard will be the most common varietals you'll encounter.

For food in Sonoma, the Girl and the Fig in the town of Sonoma is good. In Healdsburg, Dry Creek Kitchen, Ravenous, and Bistro Ralph are all good. If you want a Michelin star kind of experience in that area, check out Cyrus, also in Healdsburg.

Have fun!

ETA: looks like the owner of Bushi Tei is selling the place, so I'd scratch that rec. A great, great neighborhood restaurant is Chapeau, I'd definitely check that out.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 12:53 pm
Posted by DEANintheYAY
LEFT COAST
Member since Jan 2008
31975 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 1:07 pm to
I have guide to SF that I have posted in the past. I will repost here once I get out of this meeting.


My "guide" to visiting San Fran.

Its a bit dated possibly and doesn't really cover wine country, but thee is a lot of good info included.


I would check out this guy below if you are looking to do a tour where you don't have to drive. He was a very good guide for my fiancee and I. Very knowledgeable and took us to places where there was no tasting fees and to a place where we could tour the winery. The tour was personalized to the types of wines we enjoyed most. He also sent us an email at the end of the day recapping what wines we enjoyed and from what place.

Gene & Debbie Warren, Proprietors.
Healdsburg Area Winery Tours
"A personal wine tour driver & guide service"
https://healdsburgareawinerytours.com
1 888 633-6090 707 433-6090
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 1:34 pm
Posted by joejohnson90
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
1900 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:11 pm to
LINK

this, very quiet, only 6 rooms i think? and the restaurant downstairs is good and not too expensive for cali standards

ETA: its not 5 star or anything, but its location is money, right behind city hall in the town square
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 2:13 pm
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
4388 posts
Posted on 2/3/12 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

don't miss the Fatted Calf butcher


I still have a man crush on you for merely suggesting this place, FYI, FWIW...

To the OP, I'd stay away from V. Sattui, but that's just me... Unless you wine a wine-themed keychain.
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