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re: Pork roast and rice and gravy

Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:32 am to
Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:32 am to
And don't know how to make gravy, but think they do.

This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 8:49 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:06 am to
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Only use cornstarch slurry if you need to thicken something quickly or for desserts.

A roux adds flavor to the gravy. Cornstarch is neutral.

They both have their place, but a roux is preferable to slow cooked, rich gravies.



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Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
11807 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:12 am to
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Is silly.. If you cook quality pork, adding roux doesn't add any decent flavor, additionally if you cook quality pork, why do you need to add roux flavor?

Makes absolutely no sense.

Cornstarch doesn't conflict with the flavor of the pork.. but if you cook bad pork, then it's understandable why you'd want to mask the flavor.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 9:15 am
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16511 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:14 am to
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Is silly.. If you cook quality pork, adding roux doesn't add any decent flavor, additionally if you cook quality pork, why do you need to add roux flavor?


Why would you want to dilute the good flavor you have by adding in a flavorless cornstarch slurry?
Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
11807 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:17 am to
Adding cornstarch thickens the gravy.. You continue cooking until the gravy gets to the desired consistency. If you don't cook the cornstarch after it's added, it will have a chalky flavor.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 9:19 am
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:19 am to
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If you cook quality pork, adding roux doesn't add any decent flavor,


if you make the roux with the grease from the pot like you're supposed to, it adds a lot more than your cornstarch.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 9:19 am
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16511 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:19 am to
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Adding cornstarch thickens the gravy.. You continue cooking until the gravy gets to the desired consistency. If you don't cook the cornstarch after it's added, it will have a chalky flavor.


I'm familiar with the process.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:20 am to
Count me on the "no cornstarch" gravy side of the argument.

Flour the surface of the pork roast a little bit, brown it in a 4-quart dutch oven & take it out, deglaze the pan with a splash of white wine and a chopped onion. When that's mostly bubbled away & the onions are translucent, toss in a handful of chopped celery, half a diced carrot, and a bay leaf, some sage & thyme, plus some black pepper & salt (go easy if you used stock). Let the veggies wilt a bit, then nestle the pork roast & any accumulated juices back into the pot. Add enough water or broth to come up about 1" on the sides of the dutch oven. Put on the lid, stick in the oven, and cook until your desired doneness (some people like falling-apart pork, others want it slightly rosy in the middle).

When it's done as you like it, remove pot from the oven, set the roast aside & tent w/foil. While the meat rests, make gravy. Take out the bay leaf, then use an immersion blender to (carefully, it's hot) puree all of the remaining cooked veg & liquid in the pot. It will take on a lovely, velvety texture thanks to the pureed aromatics. Plus, you're adding NO cornstarch or additional flour.

Try it, it's delicious and easy.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 9:22 am
Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
11807 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:26 am to
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Count me on the "no cornstarch" gravy side of the argument.


yet

quote:

Flour the surface of the pork roast


The flour is your thickening agent.. and your method sounds very good, but I would run the gravy through a chinois or strainer after using the immersion blender.




This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 9:34 am
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:31 am to


She didn’t say that she didn’t want to thicken the gravy
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:40 am to
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he flour is your thickening agent.

No kidding. I just said I was NO Cornstarch. Never said anything about not liking the flavor and color of browned flour, combined with the pureed vegetables.

Cornstarch is slimy & adds zero flavor. Okay if you're trying to make custard, but useless in savory cooking. The texture reminds me of terrible cheap "chinese" fast food and awful banquet sauces designed not to separate after hours in a chafing dish.

Dust w/flour, brown the meat. It's a bedrock cooking technique, because it creates color & flavor.

Now, if you're the sort of person who is afraid to brown things or has a habit of burning, you can add a drop of Kitchen Bouquet and I won't be mad at'cha.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:41 am to
I personally don't care for the flavor of dark Roux ina brown meat gravy. Growing up we only used Roux in stews and gumbos mainly but to each their own.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:45 am to
A roux doesn’t have to be super dark like in gumbo

This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 9:47 am
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:46 am to
Then don’t make a dark roux. It won’t thicken as well anyways.

I make a peanut butter color roux for gravy.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43341 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:50 am to
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Count me on the "no cornstarch" gravy side of the argument.


Ditto.

Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:51 am to
A roux in a gravy is for Yankees.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:53 am to
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A roux in a gravy is for Yankees.


well that's just retarded.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50140 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:56 am to
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A roux in a gravy is for Yankees.


Good Lord you are dumb.
Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:56 am to
There’s literally no reason to use a roux in a gravy.
Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
11807 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:59 am to
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There’s literally no reason to use a roux in a gravy.


People who don't know how to brown a gravy use roux. It's obvious.

quote:

Cornstarch is slimy


Top five dumbest statements in this thread. You and Th03 are neck and neck.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 12:54 pm
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