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re: Popeyes - How to get batter texture?

Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:31 am to
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:31 am to
Does it make a difference that they fry their chicken in lard?
Posted by Smeg
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:44 am to
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Most people that double batter especially commercially don’t marinade. As you you marinade, have to dry it off, then dry batter, wet, then dry. Most that marinade go from marinade to wet to dry. If you go wet, dry, wet, dry it gets extremely uneven and clumpy.


I think this is mostly true.

I've found that taking raw chicken:
a.) Egg Wash > Flour - produces a thinner crust than Popeyes.
b.) Egg Wash > Flour > Egg Wash > Flour - produces ridiculously clumpy, thick, disgusting crust

I'm going to try:
c.) Flour > Egg Wash > Flour.

It seems to be what Babe's Chicken in Texas does. And they have a crust texture similar to Popeyes.
Babe's Chicken


EDIT: Also, the more I read, not only should it be:
Flour > Egg > Flour
Flour should probably have some amount of Corn Starch and/or Baking Soda in it, instead of just pure Flour + Spices. Resting after seems important too.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 10:08 am
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:41 am to
LINK

I've followed this before, came out very good.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:43 am to
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You know that for a fact? I was under the impression that anyone in the "fast" food industry that fried bone in chicken used pressure fryers.



I literally posted the fryers they use

Source - I sell them fryers

quote:

Does it make a difference that they fry their chicken in lard?


Actually they use beef tallow

And popeyes does not double batter. It’s the wet batter than regular flour, that’s it

Posted by Smeg
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:54 am to
Thanks for posting this.

I think we are getting somewhere.

Looks like having some flour mixed into that egg wash, to make a batter, before the flour, really makes a difference.
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:04 am to
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Actually they use beef tallow

And popeyes does not double batter. It’s the wet batter than regular flour, that’s it


Very similar DNA to lard.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:24 am to
There are properties that make tallow the best for deep frying. Aside coming from different animals they are both fat, yep
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:34 am to
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Smeg


Do you have a good fryer? I’d get a good fryer and if they use lard then use lard and a good fryer. Then go from there.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:40 am to
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There are properties that make tallow the best for deep frying.


Can you expand on this for us in relation to Popeyes? That simple statement in and of itself is wrong and ignorant.

Peanut oil has a higher smoke point for example and does not infuse any flavors as much as tallow or lard. So if you were going for either of those 2 than tallow would not be the best.

I’m assuming you mean the flavor and fat% are the best?
Posted by Stadium Rat
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:47 am to
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I feel like you are making the assumptions that you don’t like kfc chicken so therefore all pressure fried chicken sucks?

I think you are the one making assumptions. I love KFC Original chicken. And I like pressure fried chicken, so much so that I own 2 pressure fryers myself.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:57 am to
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I’m assuming you mean the flavor and fat% are the best?



Well, the name of the game is flavor, for one. You don’t get the oxidation from the animal fats that you get from the processed oils. Health is a factor.

The fats also have a high smoke point themselves and you’ll never exceed those temps anyway frying commercially. There are different vats for different products so there is never different flavors infused, like seafood to chicken.

Anyway, sit down and do a taste test? Any business worth their salt is frying in animal fats if they know what’s best for em
Posted by Smeg
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:24 pm to
Well, I don't have anything commercial grade. I'm using a Lodge 9 Quart Cast Iron Dutch Oven. So, it's not like I'm working with a little wimpy FryDaddy either.

Right now, I'm just interested in batter texture.

Seasoning is a whole different thing.
Brining and maintaining juicyness is a whole different thing.

I do think I want to change to lard or Crisco, over something like Canola oil, for the simple fact that animal fats give a better flavor.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:13 pm to
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Anyway, sit down and do a taste test? Any business worth their salt is frying in animal fats if they know what’s best for em


Again a lot of assumptions. I agree with you for the most part but you sound incredibly like a salesman. Your way is the only way.

One reason Tallow may not be the best especially in home use is because you can get a strong flavor from other foods. If you fry onions than whatever you make next may taste like onions for example. If all you do is chicken and fries all day long its certainly fine.

But I'm simply saying most people at home would likely not use it for just one thing. If you are frying fish for example your fries and chicken you fry next will likely taste fishier than if you used Peanut oil.

I certainly agree for frying the same thing all day long Tallow and lard are better. Its just not fair to make an overlying statement that its the best.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:15 pm to
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I'm using a Lodge 9 Quart Cast Iron Dutch Oven. So, it's not like I'm working with a little wimpy FryDaddy either.


Do you have a good thermometer you can leave in the oil while cooking? That's very important.

Nothing wrong with that method just have a good thermometer and make sure you don't let the temp drop too much or get too high.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:15 pm to
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Its just not fair to make an overlying statement


Kind of like your statement
quote:

but literally every commercial chicken place uses a pressure fryer
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:18 pm to
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I just haven't been able to get my chicken to come out like that.

Maybe your attitude isn't bad enough or you are not using enough sass. Did you look at your family and say "Whatchoo want?!" or listen to what they wanted, then give them nothing that they asked for?
Posted by Smeg
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 1:41 pm to
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Do you have a good thermometer you can leave in the oil while cooking? That's very important. 


I don't know if it's a 'good' thermometer, but it's a candy thermometer that I leave in the whole time. And yes, I raise the flames when the temp drops.
Posted by painperdu
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:59 am to
Have you figured this out yet?

I worked at Popeyes years ago and I know for a fact the marinade is simply curing salt and cayenne pepper. We'd wash the chicken pieces with water then pour the salt and pepper and let it marinade over night.

I'm not sure how the batter is done. The 'eggwash' (I don't think there are actually eggs in it) was a yellowish/orange mixture which had the consistency of a very light pancake batter. The flour looked like regular all-purpose flour.

Maybe the flour is high protein which can make it more finer/crunchy and less bulky?

Maybe baking soda is added to flour?

What would make the crust look orange? Buttermilk in the egg wash?

This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 6:00 am
Posted by pbro62
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:10 am to
You are so full of shite
Posted by Stadium Rat
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:19 am to
This video shows the battering and breading part of the prep.

Bonus - you find out that Popeyes originated with a local Hawaiian family.

LINK
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:06 am
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