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Need Advice From Those Who Are Knowledgeable About Burgundy Wines...
Posted on 6/3/25 at 8:52 am
Posted on 6/3/25 at 8:52 am
I am looking for a weeknight Pinot Noir around $30. I know that may be a tall task but I had a '22 Louis Jadot Bourgogne Rouge last weekend that was way better than I expected at $23/bottle. I am not a big fan of the American Pinot Noir that I tasted because they were all fruit, too concentrated, and lacked balance from earthiness. The few Burgundy ones I tasted over the years, however, seem to have some earthy balance. My limited exposure to Pinot Noir wines may have tainted my opinion so feel free to set me straight. Do you have any recommendations for similar or better-than-Jadot-Bourgogne Pinot Noir that are in the Burgundy style around $30? Thanks.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:08 am to Grillades
I'd normally recommend looking elsewhere at that price point.
Burgundy Pinots are now (?) in the very overpriced category, so a lot of things at that price point are just not going to be very good.
I'd look at other regions where there is value. How about Oregon? Its a similar climate to Burgundy, so while they may not have as much of the forest floor/earthiness you're looking for, they make some killer Pinots. Roserock at 40ish dollars is an excellent wine. Resonance at 30 bucks almost exactly is another good value Oregon Pinot. Illahe is nice at 25 ish
Look elsewhere in France too. Loire Valley does some nice Pinots at a better price point than Burgundy. Vacheron in Sancerre (which everyone thinks is strictly white but that's not true) makes an excellent one. Alsace will be harder to find but they make good ones too at a much better price.
Thevenet & Fils which you will see at a lot of smaller bottle shops do a really good job.
Australia: Anything from Yarra or Adelaide
Burgundy Pinots are now (?) in the very overpriced category, so a lot of things at that price point are just not going to be very good.
I'd look at other regions where there is value. How about Oregon? Its a similar climate to Burgundy, so while they may not have as much of the forest floor/earthiness you're looking for, they make some killer Pinots. Roserock at 40ish dollars is an excellent wine. Resonance at 30 bucks almost exactly is another good value Oregon Pinot. Illahe is nice at 25 ish
Look elsewhere in France too. Loire Valley does some nice Pinots at a better price point than Burgundy. Vacheron in Sancerre (which everyone thinks is strictly white but that's not true) makes an excellent one. Alsace will be harder to find but they make good ones too at a much better price.
Thevenet & Fils which you will see at a lot of smaller bottle shops do a really good job.
Australia: Anything from Yarra or Adelaide
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:13 am to Grillades
Not sure where you are located, but I am in a similar boat. I go into Martins and tell them what you like and your price point, and they will steer you.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:14 am to Fun Bunch
IMO, any Oregon or CA Pinot has been overpriced since the movie "Sideways" gave Merlot a bad rap.
Having said that, if you want a great vacation rent a house with an oceanfront view in Seaside OR and do a self-guided Willamette winery tour. If you are from somewhere where its really hot in the summer, the weather there is pretty mild.
I would say also stay in Portland a night or 2 and eat at Higgins, but that beautiful city has been ruined by radical nutjobs. It is not safe.
Having said that, if you want a great vacation rent a house with an oceanfront view in Seaside OR and do a self-guided Willamette winery tour. If you are from somewhere where its really hot in the summer, the weather there is pretty mild.
I would say also stay in Portland a night or 2 and eat at Higgins, but that beautiful city has been ruined by radical nutjobs. It is not safe.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:24 am to Grillades
Fun Bunch had some good input already
But if you're traditionally minded when it comes to wine, Wine Berserkers is probably the best place on the internet for that and has a wealth of content you can peruse on what'd decent in France at a given price point, what American winemakers are still restrained, etc.
But if you're traditionally minded when it comes to wine, Wine Berserkers is probably the best place on the internet for that and has a wealth of content you can peruse on what'd decent in France at a given price point, what American winemakers are still restrained, etc.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 10:59 am to Motorboat
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Not sure where you are located, but I am in a similar boat. I go into Martins and tell them what you like and your price point, and they will steer you.
If in New Orleans do this or go to NOLA Wine Merchant on Magazine and ask. I don’t know the ins and outs of Burgundy either, so I just go to a reputable place and ask.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 12:21 am to Grillades
Like Fun Bunch said, go Oregon. Plenty of excellent earthy PNs for at or under your price point.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 6:33 am to Grillades
The bottle you enjoyed, a generic Bourgogne Rouge, is in the lowest rung of Burgundy’s four-tier ranking system (and there are really rungs within these rungs as well). That doesn’t mean it’s bad; it just means it’s not going to be as mind-blowing, terroir specific, or age worthy as one of the vineyard-specific, village-specific, or cru wines (which, as Fun Bunch mentioned, can be prohibitively expensive). However, these wines are enough to let you know you like Burgundy, which you appear to have found out at this point. In other words, they are a great baseline, but there’s a lot more magic to be discovered as you scale up from there.
You won’t find many steals in terms of prices, but good geographically-defined Bourgogne Rouges or village wines or premier crus from less prestigious appellations or from outside of the Côte d’Or (i.e. Mâcon and the Côte Chalonnaise) are worth the slight premium to new world Pinot Noirs. To each their own, but to me, wine from Oregon just isn’t as interesting as wine with generations of history from the most complex wine region on the planet. Burgundies are just more fun, but it’s up to you as to whether that’s worth a premium or not.
Your local specialty wine store is going to sell these at a premium, so maybe go with a high volume retailer until you know what you like enough to start justifying paying for rarer options from the specialty stores.
Just filtering for wines from Burgundy selling for less than $40 on Total Wine’s website, I see:
Domaine Laurent Dufouleur Mercurey Les Loueres, 2022 (village-level from the Côte Chalonnaise)
Edouard Delaunay Bourgogne Hautes Cotes De Nuits Charmont Rouge, 2022 (this is not quite a village wine but instead like a Bourgogne Rouge+ and allowed to use the Hautes Cotes De Nuits label).
Ropiteau Hautes Cotes De Beaune, 2021 (also something like a Bourgogne Rouge+, but from the Cote de Beaune instead of the Cote de Nuits).
Domaine Boyer Bourgogne Pinot Noir Les Chazots (still a Bourgogne Rouge, but using grapes confined to the Les Chazots vineyard).
Also, vintage and producer matter a lot, but I’d focus on that later and start drilling down more into the “where” of the Burgundies you are drinking before the “who” or “when.”
You won’t find many steals in terms of prices, but good geographically-defined Bourgogne Rouges or village wines or premier crus from less prestigious appellations or from outside of the Côte d’Or (i.e. Mâcon and the Côte Chalonnaise) are worth the slight premium to new world Pinot Noirs. To each their own, but to me, wine from Oregon just isn’t as interesting as wine with generations of history from the most complex wine region on the planet. Burgundies are just more fun, but it’s up to you as to whether that’s worth a premium or not.
Your local specialty wine store is going to sell these at a premium, so maybe go with a high volume retailer until you know what you like enough to start justifying paying for rarer options from the specialty stores.
Just filtering for wines from Burgundy selling for less than $40 on Total Wine’s website, I see:
Domaine Laurent Dufouleur Mercurey Les Loueres, 2022 (village-level from the Côte Chalonnaise)
Edouard Delaunay Bourgogne Hautes Cotes De Nuits Charmont Rouge, 2022 (this is not quite a village wine but instead like a Bourgogne Rouge+ and allowed to use the Hautes Cotes De Nuits label).
Ropiteau Hautes Cotes De Beaune, 2021 (also something like a Bourgogne Rouge+, but from the Cote de Beaune instead of the Cote de Nuits).
Domaine Boyer Bourgogne Pinot Noir Les Chazots (still a Bourgogne Rouge, but using grapes confined to the Les Chazots vineyard).
Also, vintage and producer matter a lot, but I’d focus on that later and start drilling down more into the “where” of the Burgundies you are drinking before the “who” or “when.”
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 6:51 am
Posted on 6/4/25 at 7:01 am to Fun Bunch
Also, second for Alsatian Pinot as a non-Burgundy option if you can find it. Domaine Schlumberger makes a great one. Very dry and minerally reds, as to be expected from Alsace, and absolutely delicious.
And if you like white, there are perhaps no better values for your money than those from Chablis (Chardonnay), where even the premier crus can be found for sub-$40 at times. These are crisp and pure whites, so not your jam if you’re into the oaky stuff, but a great expression of the terroir (and also part of Bungundy).
And if you like white, there are perhaps no better values for your money than those from Chablis (Chardonnay), where even the premier crus can be found for sub-$40 at times. These are crisp and pure whites, so not your jam if you’re into the oaky stuff, but a great expression of the terroir (and also part of Bungundy).
This post was edited on 6/4/25 at 8:26 am
Posted on 6/4/25 at 7:46 am to Monceau
I'll mention that once you taste an aged Burgundy it's a different ballgame. The problem with aged wine is that it becomes $$$$$ very quickly. Still, it is nice to experience what age does to wine meant to be aged to have a point of reference.
This goes for any of the great wines meant for aging. Chardonnay, Burgundy, Bordeaux, Brunello, Super Tuscans, Barolo, Barbaresco, etc.
This goes for any of the great wines meant for aging. Chardonnay, Burgundy, Bordeaux, Brunello, Super Tuscans, Barolo, Barbaresco, etc.
Posted on 6/4/25 at 10:43 am to Grillades
The best value in Pinot Noir wine world is coming out of New Zealand. Go to Vivino app and look up New Zealand wines and there is a bunch of quality affordable wines that are drinking very well right now!
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:20 am to Grillades
I don't mean to hijack your thread, but whenever I think of Burgundy I think of the great New Orleans restaurant, LeRuth's. The first time I tasted a burgundy was at LeRuth's in 1978. or 1979. Puligny-Montrachet and Aloxe-Corton were his house wines! I was 23 or 24 at the time and it was a revelation
Posted on 6/4/25 at 11:50 am to L.A.
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I don't mean to hijack your thread, but whenever I think of Burgundy I think of the great New Orleans restaurant, LeRuth's. The first time I tasted a burgundy was at LeRuth's in 1978. or 1979. Puligny-Montrachet and Aloxe-Corton were his house wines! I was 23 or 24 at the time and it was a revelation
Wow, I can’t imagine anyone having Puligny or Aloxe-Corton as their house wines these days!
Posted on 6/4/25 at 9:15 pm to VABuckeye
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I'll mention that once you taste an aged Burgundy it's a different ballgame. The problem with aged wine is that it becomes $$$$$ very quickly. Still, it is nice to experience what age does to wine meant to be aged to have a point of reference. This goes for any of the great wines meant for aging. Chardonnay, Burgundy, Bordeaux, Brunello, Super Tuscans, Barolo, Barbaresco, etc.
Fully agree with you here. Ability to age is almost as much a “where” consideration as a “when” consideration (i.e. was it a good year or not for making the wine in question), particularly in Burgundy with its continental climate. There is significant overlap. The quality of the producer (“who”) also plays a role, as some are simply more skilled in creating wines built to last.
It all works together, but I feel like, particularly in Burgundy, a starter must first get acquainted with the terroir (horizontal considerations) before drilling into vintage and producer (vertical considerations). Ultimately, they should all be tied together.
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