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re: interesting NY Times piece on poverty & cooking
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:21 am to LouisianaLady
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:21 am to LouisianaLady
I'm sure the message doesn't apply to me, but it irks me when I see "foodies" mock shortcuts. When I see that, I automatically think "yep, that person doesn't have an 18 month old on one hand while uniformally (is this even a word?) dicing onions to create that perfect trinity"
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:23 am to Oenophile Brah
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This leads many skeptics to believe that poverty, in many cases, is a series of bad decisions.
I admit it crossed my mind.
As I said in another post, people who don't cook generally don't cook because they don't want to.
Cooking takes work. Even "easy" cooking.
I understand why one might not want to cook when they get home from a long day at work and have a hungry family, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good decision to opt out of it.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:24 am to Stogie
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I'm sure the message doesn't apply to me, but it irks me when I see "foodies" mock shortcuts. When I see that, I automatically think "yep, that person doesn't have an 18 month old on one hand while uniformally (is this even a word?) dicing onions to create that perfect trinity"
No one is mocking shortcuts. I understand what you're saying, but you seem to be looking to pick an argument that isn't there
If anything, I said that my mother used shortcuts growing up rather than resorting to the drive thru. I was praising her for that.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:25 am to Stogie
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but it irks me when I see "foodies" mock shortcuts
don't think anyone has mocked shortcuts in here
but the article does have a point about how often lower paying jobs have different schedules that make it difficult to plan ahead for meals, which is very important with a family
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:26 am to Salmon
quote:I'm generalizing. No worries.
don't think anyone has mocked shortcuts in here
but the article does have a point about how often lower paying jobs have different schedules that make it difficult to plan ahead for meals, which is very important with a family
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:28 am to Stogie
and the key to cooking with an 18 month old is to let them have 1 drawer (one with no knives of course) and let them take everything out and go to town
I cook almost every evening with the sound of spatulas and wooden spoons being banged on the floor
I cook almost every evening with the sound of spatulas and wooden spoons being banged on the floor
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:30 am to Oenophile Brah
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This leads many skeptics to believe that poverty, in many cases, is a series of bad decisions.
Ouch. Not everyone has the same capacity to be productive, nor are all jobs valued equally. It's easy to think that "poor" equals bad choices, but what about the intellectually challenged guy who wasn't born with a trust fund? Is it his "choice" to have a subnormal IQ? He works, happily, as a stocker at the supermarket...but he can't get a driver's license due to his limited abilities. So he has to live on the bus route, and he spends at least 1.5 hrs a day commuting to/from his $8/hr job. He's poor....what bad choice did he make? Funny thing is that he likes to cook and loves to tell you recipes if you ask him. Go figure.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:31 am to Salmon
My tupperware and non used plastic utensils drawers are on the bottom for a reason
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:33 am to hungryone
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This leads many skeptics to believe that poverty, in many cases, is a series of bad decisions
Read this part again.
I figured it was obvious that I wasn't talking about anyone with a disability.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:38 am to Oenophile Brah
People rarely leave the class in which they were born into, even in today's world.
I guess you can still say that a person born poor and never getting out of poverty is still because of bad decisions, but its often more because of the culture and environment in which they were raised.
Obviously there are exceptions.
I guess you can still say that a person born poor and never getting out of poverty is still because of bad decisions, but its often more because of the culture and environment in which they were raised.
Obviously there are exceptions.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:41 am to Salmon
I wonder what the cooking vs. fast food numbers are for people on government assistance.
Seems like you'd have no reason not to cook if you had money that was allowed to only go to food.
Seems like you'd have no reason not to cook if you had money that was allowed to only go to food.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:41 am to LouisianaLady
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This leads many skeptics to believe that poverty, in many cases, is a series of bad decisions.
Yeah those kids who live in poverty should make better decisions on which womb they pop out of...
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:48 am to LSUGrad00
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Yeah those kids who live in poverty should make better decisions on which womb they pop out of...
Congrats on being wilfully foolish.
ETA: To clarify, I'm talking about able-bodied adults. Not disabled people or children. Lawd!
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:49 am to LouisianaLady
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Seems like you'd have no reason not to cook if you had money that was allowed to only go to food.
But the TANF (aka food stamp) rules are pretty lax: you can spend those dollars on Coke and potato chips. Or beef jerky and Fiddle Faddle.
Share Our Strength & Second Harvest offer a wonderful program aimed at TANF & low income recipients of food assistance. It's called "Cooking Matters" and it teaches basic cooking, food budgeting, and nutritional lessons. Parents & kids take it together, food is cooked & eaten in class. It operates in NOLA and (I think) in Acadiana as well. Volunteers teach the classes, so if you have a food interest and want to help others, you might find it appealing: LINK
Posted on 11/6/14 at 10:55 am to hungryone
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But the TANF (aka food stamp) rules are pretty lax: you can spend those dollars on Coke and potato chips. Or beef jerky and Fiddle Faddle.
Oh for sure. Really wondering the numbers because the article seems to be using poverty as the excuse for a lack of cooking.
And it very well may be a valid excuse. I'm curious if government assisted people cook more than others that might be considered low-income without assistance.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:07 am to LouisianaLady
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And it very well may be a valid excuse. I'm curious if government assisted people cook more than others that might be considered low-income without assistance.
I can't remember the damn name of the book right now, but 3-4 years ago, an author went "undercover" and worked for a stint at various levels of food production/sales/restaurants in the US. She worked in WalMart's produce department, picked fruit in the Cali central valley, worked in the kitchen at Applebee's, etc. It was fascinating; she wrote at length about her own cooking & eating habits and those she observed in her coworkers & neighbors, all while working in food-related jobs..
Ah, I managed to remember the title: Tracie McMillan's "The American Way of Eating" Very interesting read. LINK
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:16 am to Oenophile Brah
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Congrats on being wilfully foolish.
There is a segment of this country that loves to accuse the working poor of being lazy, feeling entitled, or simply living with their own bad decisions.
It makes it easier on them to rail against assistance programs for the poor when they picture them as adults who make one bad money decision after another.
Then you point out the fact that 34% of the poor in America are children and another 10% are senior citizens and you are foolish.
But frick those kids... if they have no bread, let them eat cake.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:45 am to LSUGrad00
A little food for thought.
The # of Americans on Disability has doubled since 1995. Largly a shift from expiring unemployment insurance. It's not because jobs are more dangerous now.
1/2 of the people currently leaving the workforce do not want to work, the other 1/2 are retirement age. This group who views the "safety net" as a pension is who draws my ire.
This group exhausts the safety net for those who truly need it. They're not part of the "Working Poor" because they aren't working. They are cradle to grave blood suckers.
The working poor-middle class could receive greater assistance if it weren't for the growing class of people who are capable but do not want to work.
I don't understand why you keep insisting on strawman arguments.
The # of Americans on Disability has doubled since 1995. Largly a shift from expiring unemployment insurance. It's not because jobs are more dangerous now.
1/2 of the people currently leaving the workforce do not want to work, the other 1/2 are retirement age. This group who views the "safety net" as a pension is who draws my ire.
This group exhausts the safety net for those who truly need it. They're not part of the "Working Poor" because they aren't working. They are cradle to grave blood suckers.
The working poor-middle class could receive greater assistance if it weren't for the growing class of people who are capable but do not want to work.
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But frick those kids... if they have no bread, let them eat cake.
I don't understand why you keep insisting on strawman arguments.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:55 am to hungryone
Thanks for the link. I'd love to read that 
Minus the rage inducing Rush Limbaugh link.
Minus the rage inducing Rush Limbaugh link.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 11:58 am
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